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How about Ottavino for one of our offseason splashes?


Chuckster70

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Here's a look at the top RP's headed for FA this offseason. 

I would like a reliable veteran guy that we can count on for the 9th inning instead of Buttrey, Parker, Anderson, Robles or Bedrosian. 

Relief pitchers
Adam Ottavino (33 years old, 2.2 WAR)
Jeurys Familia (29, 1.8)
David Robertson (34, 1.3)
Craig Kimbrel (31, 1.2)
Sergio Romo (36, 1.0)
Jesse Chavez (35, 1.0)
Oliver Perez (37, 0.8)
Jake Diekman (32, 0.7)
Tony Sipp (35, 0.7)
Brad Brach (33, 0.7)
Zach Duke (36, 0.7)
Joe Kelly (31, 0.6)
Justin Wilson (31, 0.6)
Mark Melancon (34, 0.5) 
-- Can opt out of the two years and $28 million remaining on his contract.
Tyler Clippard (34, 0.4)
Andrew Miller (34, 0.4)
Kelvin Herrera (29,0.4)
Tony Barnette (35, 0.3)
Aaron Loup (31, 0.3)
Bud Norris (34, 0.3)
Jonny Venters (34, 0.3)
Adam Warren (31, 0.3)
John Axford (36, 0.2)
Greg Holland (33, 0.2)
Shawn Kelley (35, 0.2)
Jerry Blevins (35, 0.1)
Santiago Casilla (38, 0.1)
Fernando Salas (34, 0.0)
Ryan Madson (38, 0.0)
Zach McAllister (31, 0.0)
Blake Wood (33, 0.0)
Daniel Hudson (32, -0.1)
Zach Britton (31, -0.1)
Jorge De La Rosa (38, -0.1)
Jeanmar Gomez (31, -0.1)
AJ Ramos (32, -0.2)
Jim Johnson (36, -0.2)
Matt Belisle (39, -0.2)
Randall Delgado (29, -0.2)
Boone Logan (34, -0.3)
Brad Ziegler (39, -0.3)
Cody Allen (30, -0.3)
Hector Santiago (31, -0.4)
Peter Moylan (40, -0.4)
Junichi Tazawa (33, -0.6)
Blaine Boyer (37, -0.9)
Josh Tomlin (34, -1.3)
David Phelps (32, N/A) 
-- Hasn't appeared in the Majors in 2018.
Joaquin Benoit (41, N/A) -- Hasn't appeared in the Majors in 2018.

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A big need this offseason is someone who can give them multiple innings effectively in relief. Should have re-signed Petit this past offseason. Guy has had another good season up in Oakland and is durable as hell (he has thrown 91 innings in back-to-back seasons out of the one). Is there anyone out there that can do that this offseason?

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49 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

A big need this offseason is someone who can give them multiple innings effectively in relief. Should have re-signed Petit this past offseason. Guy has had another good season up in Oakland and is durable as hell (he has thrown 91 innings in back-to-back seasons out of the one). Is there anyone out there that can do that this offseason?

Taylor Cole could possibly be that guy, as he's pitched multiple innings a few times, including one 4 inning appearance.

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I'm awfully leery of Ottavino. He'll be 33 next year, and while he's been fantastic this year and two seasons back, 2017 was pretty mediocre. Lots of strikeouts, but also a good bit of walks. 
Also, a 4.8 H9 in nearly 76 innings this year? He's been a little lucky. 

With how relievers are getting paid and valued in FA right now, I think he's going to be way too expensive for the risk, especially the way Eppler spends on relievers. A few years back when relievers were a little cheaper, I'd be all about it. 

For all we know, Joe Kelly, Jeanmar Gomez, and Zach McAllister may wind up being the best relievers of that class, given how volatile they are. 

I'm actually very confident in Eppler's ability to build a pen cheaply. He's really done pretty well finding effective relievers for nothing several years in a row now. 

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1 hour ago, REDneck said:

Yeah the pen was great this year!!

LAA: 614 IP, 1.35 WHIP, 3.94 ERA, 8.4 H/9, 3.7 BB/9, 8.5 K/9, 1.2 HR/9+++
BOS: 559 IP, 1.28 WHIP, 3.54 ERA, 7.8 H/9, 3.8 BB/9, 9.5 K/9, 0.93 HR/9
OAK: 617 IP, 1.19 WHIP, 3.33 ERA, 7.4 H/9, 3.3 BB/9, 8.8 K/9, 1.05 HR/9
NYY: 568 IP, 1.20 WHIP, 3.34 ERA, 7.5 H/9, 3.3 BB/9, 11.3 K/9, 1.0 HR/9
HOU: 477 IP, 1.07 WHIP, 3.02 ERA, 7.1 H/9, 2.5 BB/9, 10.7 K/9, 0.95 HR/9
LAA: 347 IP, 1.23 WHIP, 2.98 ERA, 7.6 H/9, 3.7 BB/9, 9.2 K/9, 0.75 HR/9***

+++ Angels actual 2018 bullpen stats. 
*** Angels 2018 bullpen stats if limited to Parker, Bedrosian, Anderson, Roblez, Alvarez, Buttrey, Cole, and Middleton - a theoretical 2019 bullpen. 
The best ERA of the bunch, fewest HR/9 allowed, and righ in the mix with the BB, K, and WHIP.

Once again, health and lack of depth bit us in the ass. And surely, these guys won't repeat performances in 2019, and there will be injuries, etc. 
But we may be adding Meyer, may be adding Pena, may get more than 17 innings of Middleton, more than 15 innings of Buttrey. 
Cutting 60 IP from Johnson, 81 IP from Noe, 18 IP from Paredes.

I'd like to see one solid vet added - maybe even two minor-league deals along the lines of Norris and Petit again. I'm sure Eppler will snag another waiver claim guy or two, like he did with Parker, Yates, JC Ramirez, and Pena, all of whom have done great (Yates just so happened to do it elsewhere) but overall, I think the pen is at a good starting point for '19. The rotation and offense need help more.

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4 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

I think if we get him, a top tier SP via trade or FA and a decent bat at C (Ramos or Grandal), we should be good. 

Ottavino is more of a luxury to me. However if we were able to flip a reliever plus ??? for help at 3B (or 2B depending on where we put Cozart) we could potentially sign Adam or another reliever of choice.

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I want David Robertson. He and Eppler will have a ton of familiarity. Robertson has pitched in a multitude of roles without complaint - so he might close here, he might set-up, he might pitch in the most high-lev situations, he might not bitch if he winds up regressing and bumped into a 6th/7th inning role. 

He's steady as all hell. 
IP (since 2010): 61.1, 66.2, 60.2, 66.1, 64.1, 63.1, 62.1, 68.1, 68.2
ERA (since 2011): 1.08, 2.67, 2.04, 3.08, 3.41, 3.47, 1.84, 2.88
FIP (since 2011): 1.84, 2.49, 2.61, 2.68, 2.52, 3.58, 2.57, 2.98
K/9 (career): 10.7, 13, 10.4, 13.5, 12, 10.4, 13.4, 12.2, 10.8, 12.9, 11.7
WHIP (since 2011): 1.12, 1.17, 1.04, 1.06, 0.93, 1.36, 0.85, 0.99
ERA+ (since 2009): 140, 114, 399, 159, 197, 125, 115, 117, 242, 154
WAR (since 2011): 3.7, 1.7, 2.4, 1.1, 0.6, 1.2, 2.9, 1.4

Sign him for 2/$22m + option, snag someone as random as Bud Norris on a minor-league deal, add them to the core I listed above, and you're as good as could be for the pen. He's as good a bet as anyone to give you 65 innings, 3.00 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 70-80 K. I'd love to have him supplant Bedrosian and anchor the back-end, with Bedrosian being flipped for a AAA SP to add some insurance to the Canning, Suarez, Sandoval wave.

Anytime I see a statistical oddity for a reliever, like Ottavino's, H/9 of 4.8, I have to believe it's just a result of the smallish sample size and it's unlikely to repeat, especially when his career H/8 before this season was 8.6.

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I'm getting to be more in the sign David Robertson camp.    Yes, he will be 34 next season.   He also has been a model of consistency, and due to not being overworked in any of his past 8 seasons, stays healthy and likely still has 2-3 seasons in the tank.  

He also could be a great mentor to this pen, as he's been in a variety of roles (middle innings, set up man, closer).   His closer numbers from 2014 until mid-2017 were solid.   Only because the Skanks have Chapman and Betances, does he not get many closing chances for the Skanks.   

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18 hours ago, totdprods said:

I'm awfully leery of Ottavino. He'll be 33 next year, and while he's been fantastic this year and two seasons back, 2017 was pretty mediocre. Lots of strikeouts, but also a good bit of walks. 
Also, a 4.8 H9 in nearly 76 innings this year? He's been a little lucky. 

With how relievers are getting paid and valued in FA right now, I think he's going to be way too expensive for the risk, especially the way Eppler spends on relievers. A few years back when relievers were a little cheaper, I'd be all about it. 

For all we know, Joe Kelly, Jeanmar Gomez, and Zach McAllister may wind up being the best relievers of that class, given how volatile they are. 

I'm actually very confident in Eppler's ability to build a pen cheaply. He's really done pretty well finding effective relievers for nothing several years in a row now. 

Wait you don't like Ottavino because he is 33 but yet you want David Robertson who is also 33? I am confused. :D

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2 hours ago, ettin said:

Wait you don't like Ottavino because he is 33 but yet you want David Robertson who is also 33? I am confused. :D

Robertson has been almost robotically consistent his entire career and is 33.

Ottavino has been up and down for three years with nowhere near the track record and is 33.

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45 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Robertson has been almost robotically consistent his entire career and is 33.

Ottavino has been up and down for three years with nowhere near the track record and is 33.

I know that but you called out his age as the factor for why you didn't want him, right? :D

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1 hour ago, ettin said:

I know that but you called out his age as the factor for why you didn't want him, right? :D

Yep. Because I'm not nearly as concerned about a reliever who is 33 with years of automatic production as I am one one who is coming off a 5+ ERA season and is producing an insanely low H/9, half his career norm, with half the track record. 

If Ottavino had been a solid 3 ERA dude for 7 seasons, yeah, sign me up.

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