Ervin Santana, Nathan Eovaldi, Drew Pomeranz, Gio Gonzalez Ryu?

[Vlad27Trout27]

Santana, he's an old friend and most of us know about his trends. He'll have one good year followed by a bad year, He just had that bad so we should be expecting a good upcoming year.

Eovaldi, Nice rebound year, has power stuff

Pomeranz,  Down year, but was solid the previous 2 years. Taking him out of the AL East and putting him in a pitchers park should help 

GIo, at this point of his career he a nice inning eater

Rye, really good stuff but is always hurt.

 

Out of these 5 who could be a solid piece for us? 

[tdawg87]

Gio on like a 1 year deal.

[Blarg]

Having heard these names for so long I don't think I'd want any of them. 

[GoodTimesGoneBad]

Sabathia 

[Angel Oracle]

Eovaldi: still only 29 in 2019, already had his TJS, and seems to have become more of a pitcher than thrower this season and thus has by far his best WHIP (1.15).

He should be able to reach 162 innings next season (on pace for about 115 this season).

[Revad]

Eovaldi and one other, and the other one a one year deal if possible.  Rhu might do a one year.  Of course, budget matters but it would be nice if there was a extra pitcher or two to trade if things go south.  I see Santana as pretty high risk/high reward, but theiy’re all risky.

If Trout doesn’t sign an extension that will change things in terms of future planning so who signs when may be key.

[Second Base]

Eppler seems to have an affinity for that which is familiar. His line of thinking seems to mirror that of the Yankees which suggests that his philosophy was shaped by them or that they very much adopted his philosophy from his time there as AGM. The latter would seem ridiculous at first glance, but Brian Cashman has shown a tendency toward many different team building beliefs in his time there. It isn't until relatively recently (around seven years) that they've focused much of their financial clout on building a sustainable organization. Playing the FA game is easy for them but eventually it leads to an aging, underperforming roster. 

And that's part of what makes Eppler the perfect hire for the Angels. Dipoto played the free agent game and ignored the farm, which led to an aging and expensive roster. Eppler was part of the team of individuals that dug the Yankees out of that rut and that's exactly what the Angels were in need of. And as we've seen, it's sort of worked. I mean granted, the Angels haven't made the playoffs a single time since he came aboard, but he's built competitive teams. Certainly not dominant, but ones that can challenge for a wild card. And while he's done that, the farm has blossomed and become one of the stronger systems in baseball, full of dynamic talent. 

I guess that's just the long way of saying that Billy Eppler will do pretty much what he's done in the past. Chase good defense and high OBP from position players, ones that can self-diagnose a swing, and pursue ground ball heavy pitchers that can log some innings.

All those pitchers are pretty good, but they generate a lot of fly balls. I expect we'll see Eppler go after Dallas Keuchel, move Cozart to 2B, thus creating an extremely strong defensive middle infield, and sign Josh Donaldson to a high salary-low could commitment 3 year deal to play third base. Beyond that, I think he'll be active on the trade market, dealing Matt Thaiss, Jahmai Jones and Taylor Ward away for something shiny and new. Maybe JT Realmuto, maybe Zack Wheeler.

[Angel Oracle]

Can JMF eventually cover 110 games at 1B next season, should Walsh not be ready?

Donaldson does have one thing in his favor.   For a guy who is 33 in 2019, he’s only played the equivalent of some 6 MLB seasons.   He should still have something left in the tank for say 3 seasons.

Given not playing a lot in 2018 due to being injured, after being pretty healthy from 2012 until partly through 2017, would 3 years for about $30 million total sound about right for him?

[Second Base]

19 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Can JMF eventually cover 110 games at 1B next season, should Walsh not be ready?

Donaldson does have one thing in his favor.   For a guy who is 33 in 2019, he’s only played the equivalent of some 6 MLB seasons.   He should still have something left in the tank for say 3 seasons.

Given not playing a lot in 2018 due to being injured, after being pretty healthy from 2012 until partly through 2017, would 3 years for about $30 million total sound about right for him?

1. My view on JMF is that he's a guy that definitely won't hurt your team. He's decent enough defensively at first base, can play 2B and 3B if needed though not particularly a great defender at either, but more of the adequate variety. He'll hit for average and get on base too. But if the team is looking for more thump from their first baseman, that's pretty inexpensive to acquire. I mean Matt Adams hasn't been able to find full time work in the past few offseasons and yet every year he seems to play himself into a set role. And his salary was 4 million this year I think. So if they roll with JMF, I'm good with that, but if they get a more impactful bat, I wouldn't blame them either. As long as they don't think Valbuena is "impact".

2. I can see Donaldson getting 3/60 if he hits particularly well down the stretch and in the playoffs. If not he'd probably only take a one year deal to try and reestablish value and hit free agency next year.  

[Vegas Halo Fan]

9 hours ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Santana, he's an old friend and most of us know about his trends. He'll have one good year followed by a bad year, He just had that bad so we should be expecting a good upcoming year.

He also turns 36 in December. We shouldn't be expecting a damned thing other than a permanent downward trend from here on.

Reunions after several years apart are great for classic rock bands, not so much for pitching staffs.

[eligrba]

How about taking baby steps like trying to find a couple of average pitchers who can stay healthy all year?

[WeatherWonk]

Not enthralled by any of them. Too much money spent on an every fifth (or even sixth?) day player.

Go Tampa Bay will all these pitchers we have, and spend on a leadoff hitter and another big bat and a closer. Slug your way to Buttrey and the closer in the 8th and 9th, if the bullpen game faulters, early. 

And get a manager who knows when to pull a guy and when to leave him in. 

One thing I really admire about Houston's lineup (well, besides the fact that they have a lot of VERY good hitters), is the fact that they often have a high OBP guy at #9 in Tony Kemp. His OBP is over .360. If we could somehow get two guys like that ahead of Trout at #2, teams couldnt walk him as much. We'd have more situations like last night in the 8th, where Trout couldn't be pitched around. BOOM!! 

OTOH, the 9th spot is where Sosh likes to stash his worst, slowest hitter, too often. The catcher. That needs to change.

[AngelsFaninGA]

Sign all 5. Three will blow out their arm by May, one will stink, and one will turn into a good #3 starter. Problem solved. 

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

1. Gio

2. Eovaldi

maybe Ryu....

[totdprods]

After seeing Trop, Cole, Bridwell, Despaigne, Lamb, Johnson, Ramirez (x2), and McGuire combine for 33 GS and a collective ERA around 6.70 in that timeframe, yeah, sign me up. Any of those 'crappy' one-year vets likely outperforms that, and does so without eating up a tenth of the 40-man, shuffling and burning pen, or necessitating constant 25-man juggling.

AND That's not even counting the 41 GS we weren't expecting to need from Barria or Pena.

We knock on Chavez and Nolasco, but we were a .500 team last year with those two covering exactly 1/3 of our starts, in due part because they replaced some of the 89 GS started the year prior by Weaver, Santiago, Chacin, Oberholtzer, Lincecum, Huff, Rasmus, and Wright, who also all combined for an ERA around 6. The Angels went from 12th best ERA in the AL to 6th.

Sometimes 160-180 'meh' innings of 4.50-5.25 ERA can be a incredibly helpful for a pitching staff just to stabilize things and let the rest fall into place. Angels could definitely benefit by adding at least someone, at a minimum, in the Santana/Pomeranz/Ross/Holland/Ryu/Lyles mold for '19, provided their arm checks out. 

[Mark68]

1. Eovaldi

2. Ryu

3. Maybe Pomeranz

Eovaldi seems like he's evolving into a pitcher instead of a thrower. Looks good this year. Ryu, when healthy (which is the caveat for him), is lights out. Pomeranz had a lost year this year. If he's willing to take something like a 1 + 1 team option, we could kick the tires.

The rest are on a downward trajectory.

[Chuck]

If we don't trade for a frontline guy like Syndergaard or deGrom, sign both Eovaldi and Ryu. 

[Second Base]

12 hours ago, totdprods said:

After seeing Trop, Cole, Bridwell, Despaigne, Lamb, Johnson, Ramirez (x2), and McGuire combine for 33 GS and a collective ERA around 6.70 in that timeframe, yeah, sign me up. Any of those 'crappy' one-year vets likely outperforms that, and does so without eating up a tenth of the 40-man, shuffling and burning pen, or necessitating constant 25-man juggling.

AND That's not even counting the 41 GS we weren't expecting to need from Barria or Pena.

We knock on Chavez and Nolasco, but we were a .500 team last year with those two covering exactly 1/3 of our starts, in due part because they replaced some of the 89 GS started the year prior by Weaver, Santiago, Chacin, Oberholtzer, Lincecum, Huff, Rasmus, and Wright, who also all combined for an ERA around 6. The Angels went from 12th best ERA in the AL to 6th.

Sometimes 160-180 'meh' innings of 4.50-5.25 ERA can be a incredibly helpful for a pitching staff just to stabilize things and let the rest fall into place. Angels could definitely benefit by adding at least someone, at a minimum, in the Santana/Pomeranz/Ross/Holland/Ryu/Lyles mold for '19, provided their arm checks out. 

Great post. 

I'd like to see Kuechel.  Ground ball specialist that eats up innings pitching in front of an elite defensive infield and a pitcher friendly park.  He could do some great things with the Angels.  Ryu too. 

[T.G.]

On 9/22/2018 at 1:03 PM, Vlad27Trout27 said:

Santana, he's an old friend and most of us know about his trends. He'll have one good year followed by a bad year, He just had that bad so we should be expecting a good upcoming year.

Eovaldi, Nice rebound year, has power stuff

Pomeranz,  Down year, but was solid the previous 2 years. Taking him out of the AL East and putting him in a pitchers park should help 

GIo, at this point of his career he a nice inning eater

Rye, really good stuff but is always hurt.

 

Out of these 5 who could be a solid piece for us? 

Eovaldi sure panned out...  nicely done.

[greginpsca]

I don’t see Boston letting Eovaldi getting away. He should be their top priority.

[popo85]

I still remember Ervin's first start vs the Indians back in 05' even with all the ups and downs i was huge fan.

[Lou]

I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last night 

[Stradling]

5 hours ago, Lou said:

I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last night 

You had Carl’s Jr.  

[Lou]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

You had Carl’s Jr.  

that's right! thanks, amigo 

[Lou]

Ryu was extended QO, so he's out.