Scioscia: "Jerome not as stretched out as he eventually will be."

[fan_since79]

Okay...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fan_since79]

Sorry, didn't realize this topic is covered on another thread.

 

Mods, feel free to delete.

[EDinTUSTIN]

Scoiscia just needs to shut his pie hole! I'd rather he is not heard from again and just goes away. Always an excuse, never just a simple admittance that he may have made a mistake.

[TroutField]

Lmao at a guy who made a turn in the rotation 5 days ago not being stretched out halfway through MAY! Get a clue Scioscia. We are too far gone now, 11 freaking games back now, wow it's so terrible it's funny.

[jshep]

I wish someone had brought it up, because I'm legitimately interested about this, how a guy who has thrown 90+ pitches in both his previous starts after 70+ out of the bullpen(when he really wasn't stretched out prior to that) now isn't stretched out enough to go longer than 74 pitches.

[Chuck]

BS by Scioscia. See his last three starts before this one, including the extra innings game. 

[Tyler]

Very lame excuse. Own up to a bad decision like a real man.

[mancini79]

As a manager, this is a dumb thing to say. It's their job to know the limitations of each player. Jerome was nowhere near his limit and his performance was proof of that.

[gurn67]

Langston actually called Scioscia out on Angel Talk tonight several times. To paraphrase, he said he saw a pitcher that was cruising and totally in control of the game. He hadn't had a lot of stressful innings and had great control of his sinker all night and all he had given up was an infield hit. It would be different if the Angels had a lights out bullpen. He said Scioscia needed to have guys warmed up, just in case, but needed to get the whip out and get him to the finish line.

Nice to hear an Angels' announcer state the obvious, too bad he probably won't be around too long.

Of Course, Terry never said a word. He's been here 12 seasons and would like to keep it that way.

Hearing Jerome's comments after the game, it's obvious he agreed with Langston as well.

[AZMike]

Langston actually called Scioscia out on Angel Talk tonight several times. To paraphrase, he said he saw a pitcher that was cruising and totally in control of the game. He hadn't had a lot of stressful innings and had great control of his sinker all night and all he had given up was an infield hit. It would be different if the Angels had a lights out bullpen. He said Scioscia needed to have guys warmed up, just in case, but needed to get the whip out and get him to the finish line.

Nice to hear an Angels' announcer state the obvious, too bad he probably won't be around too long.

Of Course, Terry never said a word. He's been here 12 seasons and would like to keep it that way.

Hearing Jerome's comments after the game, it's obvious he agreed with Langston as well.

Moreno should make Langston the interim pitching coach tomorrow.

[tj_]

Moreno should make Langston the interim pitching coach tomorrow.

Eh, a good analyst doesn't necessarily make a good pitching coach.

[Angel Oracle]

How many of those Butcher trips to the mound even works anymore?

I don't even bother to yell "Get out there, Butcher!" anymore, it doesn't do much good any way.

[CaliAngel]

Langston actually called Scioscia out on Angel Talk tonight several times. To paraphrase, he said he saw a pitcher that was cruising and totally in control of the game. He hadn't had a lot of stressful innings and had great control of his sinker all night and all he had given up was an infield hit. It would be different if the Angels had a lights out bullpen. He said Scioscia needed to have guys warmed up, just in case, but needed to get the whip out and get him to the finish line.

 

Man, Langston isn't always right, but he makes a very good point if he said this. I like his analysis on pitching, its not something I've heard during broadcasts before, and I like his take and honesty on the frame of mind of staying in the game. He's also made references to pitch counts at times saying if a guy is in a groove and pitching well, it's NOT gonna kill him to throw 110+ pitches in a game! He wants to, let him do it!

 

Why can't Scioscia, just once, head out there without making up his mind that he's switching a pitcher before hand, and grow some camaraderie.  Say "You got this, we both know it. You're gonna have to make a couple tough pitches but keep 'em low. I don't wanna use my 'pen, and you don't wanna leave the game. Lets both finish this game happy!"

[Angel Oracle]

Because Scioscia is a micro manager.

[fan_since79]

There's something OCD about this current obsession with pitch counts. Langston talked about it one night, and said they never thought about it back in the day. 

 

When did we start hearing about 100-pitch limits? 

[mota_madness]

LMFAO!

[Inside Pitch]

I'd give anything to have Chili Davis and Mark Langston be a part of the Angels coaching staff...

[fan_since79]

Manager: Don Baylor

Pitching coach: Mark Langston

Hitting coach: Chili Davis

[Angel Oracle]

Bench coach:  Darren Erstad

[Chuck]

I'd give anything to have Chili Davis and Mark Langston be a part of the Angels coaching staff...

This!

[tdawg87]

I usually defend Mike's comments to the media, but this is just stupid. Don't give me the "pitch count" garbage. He threw 20 fewer pitches than either of his other two starts. Jerome is more than capable of throwing 90-100 pitches and last night was no exception.

Your over-managing backfired, Mike. Own up to it.

[Angel Oracle]

I'm wondering if the pressure is finally getting to Scioscia.

As quirky as he was in past seasons, he's made quite a few head scratching decisions already this season.

I get trying to find roles for players/pitchers, but isn't the time for that in April?  

[jshep]

I usually defend Mike's comments to the media, but this is just stupid. Don't give me the "pitch count" garbage. He threw 20 fewer pitches than either of his other two starts. Jerome is more than capable of throwing 90-100 pitches and last night was no exception.

Your over-managing backfired, Mike. Own up to it.

 

Ya, this is just a weird comment.

 

While I'm sure most of us would have disagreed with him if he had said "We felt like Jerome wasn't locating as well and the Sox were getting better swings off of him" or whatever, that's a subjective evaluation.

 

So why try to say he's not stretched out enough, which is demonstrably false based on how far he's gone his past few times out?

[mp170.6]

I have a challenge for Mike Scioscia. 

 

Let the team manage itself for a few games and see if they win.  Have Butcher inform the starter of his pitch counts with the condition they can't exceed 110 pitches.  Tell the bullpen to watch the game closely and come up with their own plan for bailing out the starter.  Cut out the ridiculous sacrifice bunting and leave it up to the players if they will steal bases or not.  At the least, it would be a fun morale booster and the results couldn't be any worse. 

 

More importantly though, it would help players see each other's strengths and weaknesses more clearly without an overbearing manager trying to "fix" things.  I think this would fire guys up to fill the voids left by others if they could see those problems for what they really are. 

 

This is how a team is supposed to work. 

[WallyWorld]

you know a decision is bad when our normally homer-ish announcers openly question it.  I've heard Victor, Gubi, Langston, and Salmon all be critical of MS's decisions.