Downside of the Kinsler trade

[GrittyVeterans]

7 minutes ago, Hubs said:

As much as I think Ward, Renifigo, and Thaiss all will be up in September, none of those three are on the 40-man roster.

So that's why we're getting Valbuena and Marte and Cowart.

 

It’s a bullshit excuse for Valbuena and Marte but I understand giving Cowart one more hack at it

[Hubs]

In the offseason, they'll lose at least three guys off the 40-Man Roster, in addition to all of their free agents not returning AND a guy for whomever they call up for September. None of those three has to be brought up now, so we may only see one or none of those guys in September.

Players have to be brought off 60-Day DL for off season. So that means 10 guys off the 60-Day DL. Which means as many as 10 spots need to be opened.

However, of those 60-Day DL guys, Richards is a FA, and Wood is a FA, so that's two spots. I doubt Shoemaker is tendered, so that is 3. Lamb, is also likely to be non-tendered / DFA. That's 4.

Rivera is a FA That's 5. So still 5 spots for guys off the 60-Day DL.

Johnson is a FA, Young is a FA, EY is a FA, and Valbuena has an option. That's 4 more.

So either one other guy on the 40-Man is DFA. Likely Marte or Cowart or a Reliever.

The only way they bring up Renfigio, Ward or Thaiss is if they DFA Marte, Chris Young, Valbuena, or a pitcher.

Edited July 31, 2018 by Hubs

[greginpsca]

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

In the offseason, they'll lose at least three guys off the 40-Man Roster, in addition to all of their free agents not returning AND a guy for whomever they call up for September. None of those three has to be brought up now, so we may only see one or none of those guys in September.

Players have to be brought off 60-Day DL for off season. So that means 10 guys off the 60-Day DL. Which means as many as 10 spots need to be opened.

However, of those 60-Day DL guys, Richards is a FA, and Wood is a FA, so that's two spots. I doubt Shoemaker is tendered, so that is 3. Lamb, is also likely to be non-tendered / DFA. That's 4.

Rivera is a FA That's 5. So still 5 spots for guys off the 60-Day DL.

Johnson is a FA, Young is a FA, EY is a FA, and Valbuena has an option. That's 4 more.

So either one other guy on the 40-Man is DFA. Likely Marte or Cowart or a Reliever.

The only way they bring up Renfigio, Ward or Thaiss is if they DFA Marte, Chris Young, Valbuena, or a pitcher.

I thought they signed Wood to a 2 year deal this past offseason?

[Lou]

1 hour ago, greginpsca said:

I thought they signed Wood to a 2 year deal this past offseason?

nope, only one year 

[TroutAdell]

What does Valbuena have on Scioscia to still have a roster spot. He serves no purpose. Cowart should play third until the Amgels decide to bring up Ward. 

I would love to see Valbuena’s pictures of Sosh eating his Ziti in the nude. 

[GrittyVeterans]

3 minutes ago, TroutTrumbo said:

What does Valbuena have on Scioscia to still have a roster spot. He serves no purpose. Cowart should play third until the Amgels decide to bring up Ward. 

I would love to see Valbuena’s pictures of Sosh eating his Ziti in the nude. 

You'd love to see that?

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

You'd love to see that?

 

[jsnpritchett]

2 hours ago, Hubs said:

The only way they bring up Renfigio, Ward or Thaiss is if they DFA Marte, Chris Young, Valbuena, or a pitcher.

I legitimately forgot he was still with the organization.  DFA that dude ASAP.  Literally no reason for him to still be on the 40-man.

[70runner]

41 minutes ago, TroutTrumbo said:

What does Valbuena have on Scioscia to still have a roster spot. He serves no purpose.

Bat flip asst coach?

[Hubs]

36 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

I legitimately forgot he was still with the organization.  DFA that dude ASAP.  Literally no reason for him to still be on the 40-man.

Ya, I didn't really understand that move. They had EY and also Blash. Plus Hermosilio, and Carter even at that point.

 

[HaloNArizona]

3 hours ago, Hubs said:

In the offseason, they'll lose at least three guys off the 40-Man Roster, in addition to all of their free agents not returning AND a guy for whomever they call up for September. None of those three has to be brought up now, so we may only see one or none of those guys in September.

Players have to be brought off 60-Day DL for off season. So that means 10 guys off the 60-Day DL. Which means as many as 10 spots need to be opened.

However, of those 60-Day DL guys, Richards is a FA, and Wood is a FA, so that's two spots. I doubt Shoemaker is tendered, so that is 3. Lamb, is also likely to be non-tendered / DFA. That's 4.

Rivera is a FA That's 5. So still 5 spots for guys off the 60-Day DL.

Johnson is a FA, Young is a FA, EY is a FA, and Valbuena has an option. That's 4 more.

So either one other guy on the 40-Man is DFA. Likely Marte or Cowart or a Reliever.

The only way they bring up Renfigio, Ward or Thaiss is if they DFA Marte, Chris Young, Valbuena, or a pitcher.

I don't think Noe Ramirez returns

JC Ramirez could be a non tender candidate

I could also see Parker being moved during August.

[T.G.]

It's now or never for Cowart.

[Hubs]

In the offseason, the offense while needing to be addressed, probably doesn't get a lot of free agent acquisitions. They need a lefty bat somewhere to replace Valbuena. Maybe that's Thaiss.

The Angels with a healthy Ohtani at DH/SP have a unique roster construction. How do you think it is filled?

I say you have 12 non-Ohtani Pitchers and 12 non-Ohtani Hitters.

The non-Ohtani pitchers are likely to be:

SP Skaggs, SP Heaney, SP Tropeano, SP Barria, SP Meyer, CL Parker, RP Bedrosian, RP Alvarez, RP Anderson, RP Robles, RP TBD, RP TBD

I think they'll rotate a few names through those last two RP spots.

The non-Ohtani hitters are likely to be:

CF Trout, RF Upton, LF Calhoun, 1B Pujols, SS Simmons, 3B Cozart, C TBD, C Briceno, INF Fletcher, INF Cowart, INF Thaiss, OF Hermosillio/Blash.

They've got to find a catcher, and unless they add another big name, I can the non-SS infield rotating between Fletcher, Cowart, Thaiss, Ward, Cozart, Fernandez and Renfigo.

 

[greginpsca]

3 hours ago, Lou said:

nope, only one year 

good.

[Lou]

I've said this before, but @Hubs needs to post here more often 

[AngelsFaninGA]

Cowart unfortunately isn't very good (basically Valbuena with better defense and no power) so we'll probably still see a lot of Valbuena

[disarcina]

I really don't see a downside to the Kinsler deal ---

even if Valbuena starts every game at third base from  now to the end of the season.

2018 is pretty much 'yesterday' it's done and gone.

we got two pen guys under club control for five/ six years in exchange for a veteran second baseman who was a F/A and not coming back here. And we save half of Kinsler's salary for August/ September.

Nothing but PLUS in that equation.  Even if only one of the pen guys ever pitches for us and is only middling to below average.
 

[Tank]

If coward wants a job next year, whether here or anywhere else, he'd better stand and deliver. He's a dime a dozen kind of player who needs to distinguish himself in some way.

i don't see him being an angel next year.

[Jeff Fletcher]

5 hours ago, HaloNArizona said:

 

I could also see Parker being moved during August.

Parker makes no money so he wouldn’t clear waivers. 

[disarcina]

Yeah - I don't see Parker being moved for several reasons and Jeff Fletcher points out the reality.

no contending club would let one of its rivals get him by merely claiming him off waivers -- and if that club that claimed him ended up with his contract --- no big deal.

[Hubs]

15 hours ago, Lou said:

I've said this before, but @Hubs needs to post here more often 

Sarcasm?

Still, I've been posting here since the beginning, but never as often as some folks. I appreciate the sentiment, even if you're being sarcastic.

[Mark68]

19 hours ago, TroutTrumbo said:

What does Valbuena have on Scioscia to still have a roster spot. He serves no purpose. Cowart should play third until the Amgels decide to bring up Ward. 

I would love to see Valbuena’s pictures of Sosh eating his Ziti in the nude. 

He's got a pee tape.

[Stradling]

The worst part of the Kinsler trade is watching people get pissed off that Valbuena is playing while they simultaneously root for the Angels to lose games to increase their odds of getting a good draft pick.  

[Lou]

23 minutes ago, Hubs said:

Sarcasm?

Still, I've been posting here since the beginning, but never as often as some folks. I appreciate the sentiment, even if you're being sarcastic.

there was not one ounce of sarcasm in my post. 

[Hubs]

Thanks @Lou I appreciate it. I may not be able to hit a ball, as anyone who has seen me play at the Softball games can attest to, but I can certainly post about it.