Cards fire Mike Matheny as manager

[bloodbrother]

I for one am ready for the A-rod as Angels manager era to begin.

[AngelsFaninGA]

35 minutes ago, bloodbrother said:

I for one am ready for the A-rod as Angels manager era to begin.

I for one will welcome our new Mathis overlord when he retires and takes the Angels job

[Stradling]

8 hours ago, calscuf said:

If he comes here I hope so: Cards fans hate him, make fun of him, yet he succeeds at his new job and Cards fans can’t figure out why or how but continue to make ex-girlfriend like comments about him.  The Cards fan who works for Shake Shack is especially anti-Matheny, the owner of Cardswin.com is as well.  The one Mexican Cards fan finds old pro-Matheny threads to shame current anti-Matheny guys who used to support him.  But he he to hates him now.  

The most handsome member of Cardswin.com will point out the inconsistencies and hypocrisy and knows it’s anti-handsome bias as he succeeds in Anaheim.  

You did all this work

8 hours ago, failos said:

my favorite thread on cardswin.com is the one about Matheny shooting himself in the foot, by a poster named Tards.

And he won

[Jobu]

Matheny was fired for failing at quite possibly the only thing that everyone agrees Scioscia is good at: keeping a quiet, drama-free clubhouse. It's really the Cardinals ownership and upper management that wants to frame this as ".500 baseball isn't good enough for this organization".

[Second Base]

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[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Matheny is a great choice, only if Canseco is unavailable.  

[gurn67]

Why can't we have nice things, like the Cardinals?

[Dick B Back]

3 minutes ago, gurn67 said:

Why can't we have nice things, like the Cardinals?

I would like Weaver and Molina... makes sense.

[Puget Sound Angel]

I thought Cardinals managers had their lobs for life, like Sosh.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Vladdylonglegs said:

It's funny you mention the most easily proven conspiracy theory. It cannot even be considered a conspiracy theory in the traditional sense anymore The official story is the outlandish theory rejected by the majority of Americans.

Cool, now you have one.  

[Pujols4MVP]

54 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

I would like Weaver and Molina... makes sense.

Jered & Jeff are retired lol. I heard Jered might be used in the HR derby, alot of hitters enjoyed the last few seasons Jered pitched.

[m0nkey]

14 minutes ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

Jered & Jeff are retired lol. I heard Jered might be used in the HR derby, alot of hitters enjoyed the last few seasons Jered pitched.

You may want to check their roster

[Dick B Back]

27 minutes ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

Jered & Jeff are retired lol. I heard Jered might be used in the HR derby, alot of hitters enjoyed the last few seasons Jered pitched.

Oops...

[laagamer]

4 hours ago, The Ghost of Bob Starr said:

Matheny is a great choice, only if Canseco is unavailable.  

"Ya, the team's HR totals are definitely up this year. Guess it's due to all the hard work."

- Caseco, Angels Manager, 2019

[Pujols4MVP]

33 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

You may want to check their roster

I'm guessing there is another Weaver brother I haven't heard of yet. Hopefully he throws harder than 78mph

[Dick B Back]

11 minutes ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

I'm guessing there is another Weaver brother I haven't heard of yet. Hopefully he throws harder than 78mph

There’s a Weaver but not a brother and he has good stuff.

[Pujols4MVP]

13 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

There’s a Weaver but not a brother and he has good stuff.

Well its a rule all Weavers have to pitch for the Angels, they'll sign him when he's a FA.

[disarcina]

not sure what happened in St. Louis -- always liked Matheny.

as for the 'drama free' clubhouse remark earlier in this thread - not sure what the situation was, but Matheny and Fowler did not get along and stopped speaking to each other about two months ago.......St. Louis -- an organization that does not spend freely on F/A -- way over-paid for Fowler's over-blow Coors Field stats and then wondered when he got off to a .165 start (he's still hitting below the Mendoza line as I type this) - Matheny takes the blame apparently.

the bigger program for Matheny is that a truly amazing stat has emerged at the All Star Break -- the St. Louis Cardinals LEAD the NL in errors committed.  That is certainly NOT "the Cardinals Way to Play Baseball"  -- that stat plus the Cards tanking out of contention at the AS Break and playing some truly ugly games vs. out of contention Cincinnati this week led the Cards to make the change now and get rid of his coaching staff as well. 

I can see Joe Girardi being the next St. Louis manager --

Meanwhile -- I'd take Matheny over Scioscia --

Our choice may be Ausmus or Scioscia next year.

What Halos should do this next week after the AS Break, is trade Heaney and perhaps Skaggs to the Yankees for a number of their prospects, perhaps announce that Scioscia will become a special assistant/ advisor to the owner next season and name Ausmus as the next in line.  Bring up some of the players from AA and get them some playing time. Trade Maldonado (something I said I wouldn't do -- but he's a F/A next year and we don't have much else to trade -- I'd keep Trout, Simmons and Ohanti (no one wants Pujols' contract) -- everyone else expendable SF Giants could use a OF'er - now that Kole Calhoun is heating up at the plate a bit -- he could be a good addition there ---

I think the Angels need to make some moves for the future NOW or they can say goodbye to Mike Trout -- perhaps the best all-around MLB ballplayer of the past 50 years.

[Pujols4MVP]

2 minutes ago, disarcina said:

not sure what happened in St. Louis -- always liked Matheny.

as for the 'drama free' clubhouse remark earlier in this thread - not sure what the situation was, but Matheny and Fowler did not get along and stopped speaking to each other about two months ago.......St. Louis -- an organization that does not spend freely on F/A -- way over-paid for Fowler's over-blow Coors Field stats and then wondered when he got off to a .165 start (he's still hitting below the Mendoza line as I type this) - Matheny takes the blame apparently.

the bigger program for Matheny is that a truly amazing stat has emerged at the All Star Break -- the St. Louis Cardinals LEAD the NL in errors committed.  That is certainly NOT "the Cardinals Way to Play Baseball"  -- that stat plus the Cards tanking out of contention at the AS Break and playing some truly ugly games vs. out of contention Cincinnati this week led the Cards to make the change now and get rid of his coaching staff as well. 

I can see Joe Girardi being the next St. Louis manager --

Meanwhile -- I'd take Matheny over Scioscia --

Our choice may be Ausmus or Scioscia next year.

What Halos should do this next week after the AS Break, is trade Heaney and perhaps Skaggs to the Yankees for a number of their prospects, perhaps announce that Scioscia will become a special assistant/ advisor to the owner next season and name Ausmus as the next in line.  Bring up some of the players from AA and get them some playing time. Trade Maldonado (something I said I wouldn't do -- but he's a F/A next year and we don't have much else to trade -- I'd keep Trout, Simmons and Ohanti (no one wants Pujols' contract) -- everyone else expendable SF Giants could use a OF'er - now that Kole Calhoun is heating up at the plate a bit -- he could be a good addition there ---

I think the Angels need to make some moves for the future NOW or they can say goodbye to Mike Trout -- perhaps the best all-around MLB ballplayer of the past 50 years.

Why would Trout stay if Skaggs & Heaney are no longer on the rotation ? Thats gambling a whole lot on prospects being able to pitch 200+ IP with a sub 3.75 ERA in 2020. Also got to assume Ohtani may get injured again as he'll probably avoid TJ & then end up getting TJ afterall. The rotation would look like Ohtani/Barria/Trop followed by prospects who possibly only 1 of them performs decent in 2020 & the rest are struggling & another portion of them end up on the DL.

[disarcina]

well Scioscia4MVP - you may be right about Skaggs and Heaney - but here's the deal.

The Angels have significantly under-performed in 2018. Things are not getting better.

Perhaps the window for making this team better while we still have Trout under contract has come and gone. That could well be.

The bottom line is - the Halos are going nowhere fast with the team (and manager in the dugout) on the field now. Deadline time is coming up . We don't have a lot of assets on the team -- Richards was probably our most tradeable deadline deal asset and he's out with TJ until 2020 and may have pitched his last inning for Anaheim.

Except for Calhoun -- (and I assume our 'untouchables are Trout, Ohtani, Simmons and Pujols -- not by choice - by contract terms and reality), we really don't have much else to offer for a deadline deal to net some prospects and perhaps get some organization to over-pay for pitching..........Skaggs and Heaney -- both plagued with a history of arm issues and missed starts are our best assets to obtain any value in return. (I sort of over-looked Upton - but i assume his contract terms/ cost will keep him in Anaheim).

so, do we do nothing? that's the alternative. I really don't see this team doing much in the foreseeable future. Making no moves does not seem like a wise choice.

and, yes, perhaps there's no deal we can make now that will convince Trout that he's not wasting his best years. most productive seasons in Anaheim.

[Lou]

16 hours ago, Dick B Back said:

There’s a Weaver but not a brother and he has good stuff.

[Lou]

20 hours ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

Well its a rule all Weavers have to pitch for the Angels, they'll sign him when he's a FA.

[T.G.]

[T.G.]

[failos]

1 minute ago, Morris altalef said:

Thank you Mr. Mike Scioscia for the fresh approach right after the allstar break, 7 inning without a hit, is this massacre will ever end ?

What would you do differently? 

welcome back btw