California Governor Race

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Adam said:

He’s a moderate libertarian. 

Aren't all libertarians, by definition, moderate?

[Make Angels Great Again]

I'm sure many consider libertarians extreme right.

[Adam]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Aren't all libertarians, by definition, moderate?

Not at all. It’s like any other group. There are ancaps, minarchists, left libertarians, etc.... Johnson isn’t even really a minarchist. He’s more of a traditional conservative albeit a secular one.

[Pujols4MVP]

Both major partys keep moving further to the extreme wings of their party. Its sickening.

The Trump wing of the GOP is further to the Right than Bush, Romney & McCain.

Newsom is just an example of the new left in Calfiornia, in the senate they tried forcing out Feinstein cause She's not part of the new "hard left" that makes Feinstein look like a moderate.

When Newsom becomes Governor he's gonna end up running for president in 2020 & he will probably win cause Trump can't keep his mouth shut.

I wonder what will happen to the GOP in 10 to 15 years from now when more of the old generations have passed away........will they adapt to the current generations beliefs or keep pushing the beliefs the majority doesn't believe in ? Also generation Z is starting to vote & when more of them become voters the GOP will be even more out of touch.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

On 6/6/2018 at 1:16 PM, mtangelsfan said:

This is the disconnect between liberals and conservatives.  Each side doesn't give a rat's ass about the issues of the other.  Rural life means nothing to urbanites and vice-versa.

I see this as the true divide.  I find it odd that you don't find that to be an issue.

Same issues in Nevada. Clark County (Las Vegas and surrounding areas) is largely Democratic. Most of the rest of the state is largely Republican. The rub comes when Republicans control both houses of the State Legislature (as they have for the past four years) and dictate spending, because the vast majority of the state's revenue comes from Clark County.

[Adam]

10 hours ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

Both major partys keep moving further to the extreme wings of their party. Its sickening.

The Trump wing of the GOP is further to the Right than Bush, Romney & McCain.

Newsom is just an example of the new left in Calfiornia, in the senate they tried forcing out Feinstein cause She's not part of the new "hard left" that makes Feinstein look like a moderate.

When Newsom becomes Governor he's gonna end up running for president in 2020 & he will probably win cause Trump can't keep his mouth shut.

I wonder what will happen to the GOP in 10 to 15 years from now when more of the old generations have passed away........will they adapt to the current generations beliefs or keep pushing the beliefs the majority doesn't believe in ? Also generation Z is starting to vote & when more of them become voters the GOP will be even more out of touch.

I guess I just don't see the extremism you all do from the right. They're essentially democrats, 15 years behind, aside from the fringes who vote their way. 

[Lou]

Well, according to certain posters here,  the Republican party was dead 10 years ago.

[arch stanton]

The only way will be for the Republicans to bite the bullet on the social conservative BS and hijack the Dem party and go to work on the economic side 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

If Hillary couldn't appeal to middle America I don't see how someone as far left as Newsom would stand a chance.  Never say never (see the current president) but based on what I've seen across various sites, articles and discussions there's a lot of people out there who aren't a fan of CA politics and how far left the state leans.  I would think the dems have learned from the 2016 election but I thought the same thing about the reps going into the 2012 election.

[Adam]

When there's widespread backlash, you double down! - Reps and Dems

[Pujols4MVP]

4 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

If Hillary couldn't appeal to middle America I don't see how someone as far left as Newsom would stand a chance.  Never say never (see the current president) but based on what I've seen across various sites, articles and discussions there's a lot of people out there who aren't a fan of CA politics and how far left the state leans.  I would think the dems have learned from the 2016 election but I thought the same thing about the reps going into the 2012 election.

I think Newsom is all about appealing to Milllenials who care more about social issues & he isn't 100 years old.

The GOP went for someone who makes Romney look like a uber moderate & won, so they might just try someone extreme like Newsom.

[Pujols4MVP]

5 hours ago, arch stanton said:

The only way will be for the Republicans to bite the bullet on the social conservative BS and hijack the Dem party and go to work on the economic side 

I've been wishing the GOP would do that for years, i think when more of the boomer generation dies off due to old age + cancer it might finally change. Generation Z has started to vote in elections, they have to take into account their number of voters in elections will continue to grow & that might be the reason Trump loses 2020 election. Generation Z (born in 1997 to 2015 basicly).

[UndertheHalo]

Newsom has been a strong advocate for the LGBT community.  These days it’s not an “extreme” position.  It probably plays well for him for in a lot of segments.  I realize not among social conservatives.  They aren’t the only ones in the county.  His most radical stated policy in California is universal healthcare.  Also, hardly a radical idea these days.  I’m not his biggest fan.  And I’m not sure he’s the guy that should run in 2020.  But this idea that he’s hyper liberal is kind of ridiculous.  3/4 of the people that post here are very conservative.  Everything left is “extreme” 

[UndertheHalo]

3 hours ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

I think Newsom is all about appealing to Milllenials who care more about social issues & he isn't 100 years old.

The GOP went for someone who makes Romney look like a uber moderate & won, so they might just try someone extreme like Newsom.

I disagree that the primary issues for millennials are social.   I don’t think any generation has been as economically screwed over since the gilded age. 

[Jason]

Where's he getting the money for this shit?

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

He's CA liberal which to a good chunk of the rest of the country is pretty liberal.  As to his goals which are covered in Jason's video:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article212649649.html

"Guaranteed health care for all. A 'Marshall Plan' for affordable housing," Newsom said. "A master plan for aging with dignity. A middle-class workforce strategy. A cradle-to-college promise for the next generation. An all-hands approach to ending child poverty."

" Should the former San Francisco mayor fulfill expectations and become California’s next governor, he would bring with him a policy agenda more liberal than any other blue-state governor."

"He wants health care for everyone, including immigrants in the country illegally. He supports universal preschool and at least two years of tuition-free community college. He wants to get rid of California's cash bail system. He would seek to run the state's energy grid solely on renewable energy."

"Newsom's biggest goals, on homelessness, health care and education, would be expensive, and Brown has warned the state can expect an economic downturn. To pay for government-financed single-payer health care alone, for example, Californians would be on the hook for huge tax increases to cover the estimated $400 billion price tag."

There's no magic money tree and this is already one of the highest taxed states.  When the next downturn hits the state can't afford to be already running in the red to pay for campaign promises.  Raising taxes means the middle class will continue to get hammered and more people will leave the state.  My only hope is that if he's elected (pretty much a given) he doesn't dig the state into a hole it can't get itself out of because the underfunded pensions already have it in a world of hurt.   

 

[UndertheHalo]

45 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

He's CA liberal which to a good chunk of the rest of the country is pretty liberal.  As to his goals which are covered in Jason's video:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article212649649.html

"Guaranteed health care for all. A 'Marshall Plan' for affordable housing," Newsom said. "A master plan for aging with dignity. A middle-class workforce strategy. A cradle-to-college promise for the next generation. An all-hands approach to ending child poverty."

" Should the former San Francisco mayor fulfill expectations and become California’s next governor, he would bring with him a policy agenda more liberal than any other blue-state governor."

"He wants health care for everyone, including immigrants in the country illegally. He supports universal preschool and at least two years of tuition-free community college. He wants to get rid of California's cash bail system. He would seek to run the state's energy grid solely on renewable energy."

"Newsom's biggest goals, on homelessness, health care and education, would be expensive, and Brown has warned the state can expect an economic downturn. To pay for government-financed single-payer health care alone, for example, Californians would be on the hook for huge tax increases to cover the estimated $400 billion price tag."

There's no magic money tree and this is already one of the highest taxed states.  When the next downturn hits the state can't afford to be already running in the red to pay for campaign promises.  Raising taxes means the middle class will continue to get hammered and more people will leave the state.  My only hope is that if he's elected (pretty much a given) he doesn't dig the state into a hole it can't get itself out of because the underfunded pensions already have it in a world of hurt.   

 

If it can’t be done it can’t be done.  But California is a huge state.  Countries with much smaller economies manage universal healthcare.  I don’t agree that illegals should receive tax payer funded benefits.  We’ll see.  In the end he’s a politician, he has to be aware of what tax payers will tolerate.  I agree that California faces serious challenges in making such a thing a reality.  As to a renewable energy grid.  My goodness, is that really going to become a right, left thing ? I don’t think getting rid of cash bail is a right, left thing either.  As far as the preschool and community college for all thing.  Its definitely liberal, but hardly a liberal idea unique to California.  Some very red states offer it. Or are on their way to offering it.  

 

Edited June 9, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[Pujols4MVP]

1 hour ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

He's CA liberal which to a good chunk of the rest of the country is pretty liberal.  As to his goals which are covered in Jason's video:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article212649649.html

"Guaranteed health care for all. A 'Marshall Plan' for affordable housing," Newsom said. "A master plan for aging with dignity. A middle-class workforce strategy. A cradle-to-college promise for the next generation. An all-hands approach to ending child poverty."

" Should the former San Francisco mayor fulfill expectations and become California’s next governor, he would bring with him a policy agenda more liberal than any other blue-state governor."

"He wants health care for everyone, including immigrants in the country illegally. He supports universal preschool and at least two years of tuition-free community college. He wants to get rid of California's cash bail system. He would seek to run the state's energy grid solely on renewable energy."

"Newsom's biggest goals, on homelessness, health care and education, would be expensive, and Brown has warned the state can expect an economic downturn. To pay for government-financed single-payer health care alone, for example, Californians would be on the hook for huge tax increases to cover the estimated $400 billion price tag."

There's no magic money tree and this is already one of the highest taxed states.  When the next downturn hits the state can't afford to be already running in the red to pay for campaign promises.  Raising taxes means the middle class will continue to get hammered and more people will leave the state.  My only hope is that if he's elected (pretty much a given) he doesn't dig the state into a hole it can't get itself out of because the underfunded pensions already have it in a world of hurt.   

 

Thats one of the things that makes Newsom extreme

[Tank]

We're all screwed until they fix the state workers pension plan. Any new taxes added on top of that are adding to an already unfair and an oppressive tax system for citizens.  And using tax money from citizens too pay for healthcare for illegals? Eff no!

 

Edited June 9, 2018 by Tank

[GrittyVeterans]

6 hours ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

Thats one of the things that makes Newsom extreme

I think dumb would be a better word for it

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

11 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

If it can’t be done it can’t be done.  But California is a huge state.  Countries with much smaller economies manage universal healthcare.  I don’t agree that illegals should receive tax payer funded benefits.  We’ll see.  In the end he’s a politician, he has to be aware of what tax payers will tolerate.  I agree that California faces serious challenges in making such a thing a reality.  As to a renewable energy grid.  My goodness, is that really going to become a right, left thing ? I don’t think getting rid of cash bail is a right, left thing either.  As far as the preschool and community college for all thing.  Its definitely liberal, but hardly a liberal idea unique to California.  Some very red states offer it. Or are on their way to offering it.  

 

Many of the countries that some people brought up here during the last election that have universal health care have a much more homogeneous demographic and higher taxes.  As far as renewable energy and cash bail no one said they were right/left and of the things Newsom listed those aren't the ones that worry me as far as what they'll cost.  Whether or not something is unique from CA doesn't take away from the fact that Newsom's plan would be the most liberal agenda of any state so to the rest of the country yes that's quite liberal.  Community college in CA is still relatively cheap and on average CA ranks roughly bottom 5 as far as annual cost so that should be pretty far down the list of items to address.  Like any politician he's throwing out this and that to sway voters and reality will be different.  That said this state already has pensions underfunded by hundreds of billions of dollars, a ridiculous bullet train that's running way over budget and there's been nothing feasible proposed yet that would make universal health care possible.  I don't care if someone is an R, D or other I'd just love to see a politician who address one of our current issues without taking on something else that's going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars.   

[Lou]

11 hours ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

To pay for government-financed single-payer health care alone, for example, Californians would be on the hook for huge tax increases to cover the estimated $400 billion price tag."

sweet 

[UndertheHalo]

1 hour ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Many of the countries that some people brought up here during the last election that have universal health care have a much more homogeneous demographic and higher taxes.  As far as renewable energy and cash bail no one said they were right/left and of the things Newsom listed those aren't the ones that worry me as far as what they'll cost.  Whether or not something is unique from CA doesn't take away from the fact that Newsom's plan would be the most liberal agenda of any state so to the rest of the country yes that's quite liberal.  Community college in CA is still relatively cheap and on average CA ranks roughly bottom 5 as far as annual cost so that should be pretty far down the list of items to address.  Like any politician he's throwing out this and that to sway voters and reality will be different.  That said this state already has pensions underfunded by hundreds of billions of dollars, a ridiculous bullet train that's running way over budget and there's been nothing feasible proposed yet that would make universal health care possible.  I don't care if someone is an R, D or other I'd just love to see a politician who address one of our current issues without taking on something else that's going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars.   

I don’t disagree that what he has outlined as a whole is probably unfeasible.  My point is just that the idea that he’s radically liberal is sort of silly.  He’s not radical.  Yes, I accept that the agenda is the “most liberal” but these are our times.   Everything is pushing further left or right. 

I think California’s main issue with universal healthcare is active belligerence from the federal government.  I doubt Newsom will be able to do it.  Homogeneity doesn’t have anything to do with it.  

I agree with you and Tank that the state pension issue is the biggest thing to deal with.  Also, water.  I’d like to see him talk about water shortages more seriously. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

He may not be a radical liberal by LA/Berkley/whatever standards but to the majority of the country his views are far left.  Homogeneity has been a factor when it comes to democratic socialism being successful and that's why it was discussed back during the election when Sanders was talking about universal healthcare among other things.  That doesn't mean it's a requirement for universal healthcare to be successful as there are other countries that have made it work but there's a wide range of issues outside of the price tag that make it a hard sell.  As to water there's been a push for roughly 20 years now to turn the plant on PCH in HB into a desalination plant but there's been a lot of push back.  Obviously there are environmental concerns, the energy needed for the process and so on but it seems in a state like CA it's hard to get a plant like that built.  I know they built the Carlsbad plant down south and the droughts should have cities and the state working towards getting more done so we can better weather the next drought but it doesn't seem like enough has been done.  At least we should have the bullet train completed 5+ years after it was originally supposed to be completed while costing 2x the original budget. 

[Tank]

7 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

At least we should have the bullet train completed 5+ years after it was originally supposed to be completed while costing 10x the original budget. 

fixed.