Jim Johnson

[Lou]

For the love of God, DFA this POS right now. 

[Angel Oracle]

He was already washed up in 2017.

Uhh Billy, you csn’t have another off-season with relievers like the last one.    That was pretty pathetic.

[Inside Pitch]

12 minutes ago, Lou said:

For the love of God, DFA this POS right now. 

He got them extra money for Ohtani -- he's served his purpose.   

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

He got them extra money for Ohtani -- he's served his purpose.   

Yep.  

[Angel Oracle]

Unfortunately, Billy equaled Dip*ssy in one way this off-season.   An equally putrid adding of relievers, like Dip*ssy did after 2012.

[Inside Pitch]

7 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Unfortunately, Billy equaled Dip*ssy in one way this off-season.   An equally putrid adding of relievers, like Dip*ssy did after 2012.

Eppler did a fantastic job of finding undervalued pieces for the pen last year -- then he dropped the ball and failed to resign any of them.   Anytime a guy goes too hard in any one direction it tends to come back to bite them in the ass.

[IEAngelsfan]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Eppler did a fantastic job of finding undervalued pieces for the pen last year -- then he dropped the ball and failed to resign any of them.   Anytime a guy goes too hard in any one direction it tends to come back to bite them in the ass.

I hope he has learned his lesson.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, IEAngelsfan said:

I hope he has learned his lesson.

I’m not sure what the lesson is, free agency is expensive and unpredictable with bullpen arms.

[Angel Oracle]

Is it all Eppler, or is Arte telling him to go cheap on relief pitching?

Eppler strikes me as being too bright for that on his own.

[Angel Oracle]

Just now, The Boogie Man said:

I’m not sure what the lesson is, free agency is expensive and unpredictable with bullpen arms.

Something has to be done.   The org better develop some relievers then.  Otherwise, the post-season will continue to be elusive.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Something has to be done.   The org better develop some relievers then.  Otherwise, the post-season will continue to be elusive.

It is development until then it is  trading for pitchers that are performing in that season.  

[Stradling]

Just now, REDneck said:

Yeah I guess its cheaper just to continue to absorb losses until your totally out of contention...makes sense to me

No, but look at all of the bullpen arms that we all wanted, most are pitching poorly.  

[IEAngelsfan]

3 minutes ago, The Boogie Man said:

I’m not sure what the lesson is, free agency is expensive and unpredictable with bullpen arms.

A more balanced approach as IP alluded to.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, REDneck said:

Well to be frank if Eppler had signed those guys not performing well to big contracts than he would also deserve some criticism.

You don't get very far in sports without a good GM...and the number 1 job of a GM is to sign good players at fair prices.

Not punt like he did in the bullpen

I agree

[Angel Oracle]

15 minutes ago, The Boogie Man said:

I’m not sure what the lesson is, free agency is expensive and unpredictable with bullpen arms.

The ones he signed before 2017 all had solid seasons in 2017,

Why not re-sign any of them?

[Stradling]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

The ones he signed before 2017 all had solid seasons in 2017,

Why not re-sign any of them?

Yea I don’t know

[Inside Pitch]

42 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Is it all Eppler, or is Arte telling him to go cheap on relief pitching?

Eppler strikes me as being too bright for that on his own.

Why wouldn't it be on Eppler?   Not spending on the pen is an old school saber mentality...  Epp has proven to be much more saber inclined than he let on... imo, not throwing money at BP arms fits him to a T...  He tried to replicate last years successes with a new set of arms -- it just hasn't worked.   RP volatility is a thing.  Not planning for it is a mistake -- he needed to have grabbed another arm or two just to account for the possibility that someone would shit the bed.   

I also think he saw something in the data that argued Johnson had something left in the tank.  It just hasn't worked... JJ looks every bit as punch drunk as when he last pitched in the AL.    It's funny because while most of us would agree he's been awful -- but his peripherals entering tonight's game were arguably the best he's managed since 2012 or so...   He's been incredibly UN-clutch.

Edited May 31, 2018 by Inside Pitch

[Inside Pitch]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

 He's been incredibly UN-clutch.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=3&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=1&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=2,d

[Dick B Back]

49 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=3&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=1&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=2,d

Cam at #3. Hehehe... I love data!

[Make Angels Great Again]

Jim Johnson...you had to be blind to not think this would be the result of his performance coming into the season.

[Dick B Back]

9 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Jim Johnson...you had to be blind to not think this would be the result of his performance coming into the season.

I honestly didn’t think he was going to be used in high leverage situations, but Sosh hasn’t had much to work with in this year’s BP so what are you gonna do?

[failos]

In my country,  "Johnson," is an idiomatic expression for penis.

[Lou]

23 minutes ago, failos said:

In my country,  "Johnson," is an idiomatic expression for penis.

So is "Cam" 

[Lou]

A guy I grew up with had an uncle named Harry Peters. 

[Lou]

I know a guy named Adam Dodge