This offensive Offense

[fan_since79]

I just saw today's lineup posted over at Facebook.

Valbuena, Kinsler, and Calhoun are in, of course. 

Was it Einstein who said that insanity was attempting to do the same thing over and over again without success? 

Some major changes have to made or our playoff possibilities will go right down the drain. This offense is dreadful, and the manager as stubborn as can be. His bosses need to step in before it's too late.

 

 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, fan_since79 said:

I just saw today's lineup posted over at Facebook.

Valbuena, Kinsler, and Calhoun are in, of course. 

Was it Einstein who said that insanity was attempting to do the same thing over and over again without success? 

Some major changes have to made or our playoff possibilities will go right down the drain. This offense is dreadful, and the manager as stubborn as can be. His bosses need to step in before it's too late.

 

 

Completely agree changes need to be made, but FS who should start instead of those three that are currently on the roster?  

Is Young better?

Is Marte better?  I know he is AWFUL defensively, he’s part of the reason the bases were loaded yesterday.  

This isn’t defending Scioscia, it is realizing that until actual humans are on the team, that can perform better than we currently have, what is the point of bringing it up?  

[fan_since79]

1 minute ago, The Boogie Man said:

Completely agree changes need to be made, but FS who should start instead of those three that are currently on the roster?  

Is Young better?

Is Marte better?  I know he is AWFUL defensively, he’s part of the reason the bases were loaded yesterday.  

This isn’t defending Scioscia, it is realizing that until actual humans are on the team, that can perform better than we currently have, what is the point of bringing it up?  

There are several personnel down in the minors whose names have been mentioned and discussed on multiple threads.

I don't know when the exact time is to bring one or more of them up, but Kinsler and Valbuena have no place in a major league lineup.

Shift Cozart to 2nd base and use Marte more. Put him at 3rd for now. Isn't his defense there not as bad as at first base? Albert can play most days at 1st base. When he needs a day off, use Valbuena there if you must. 

Calhoun, we probably have little choice right now, as Young is as bad as him or worse.

Kinsler should not get any more at-bats except in a reserve capacity. He can be a later innings defensive replacement with Cozart moving back to third. You can minimize any defensive liability with Marte in the late innings by getting him out of the game.

 

[Angelsfan1984]

13 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

There are several personnel down in the minors whose names have been mentioned and discussed on multiple threads.

I don't know when the exact time is to bring one or more of them up, but Kinsler and Valbuena have no place in a major league lineup.

Shift Cozart to 2nd base and use Marte more. Put him at 3rd for now. Isn't his defense there not as bad as at first base? Albert can play most days at 1st base. When he needs a day off, use Valbuena there if you must. 

Calhoun, we probably have little choice right now, as Young is as bad as him or worse.

Kinsler should not get any more at-bats except in a reserve capacity. He can be a later innings defensive replacement with Cozart moving back to third. You can minimize any defensive liability with Marte in the late innings by getting him out of the game.

 

At this point, why not just DFA valbuena or Marte and bring in someone like JMF? 2 crappy redundant players just taking at bats from others. I'd say give the RF job to Hermosillo. If Calhoun really is better then let him earn it. No reason to have so many black holes in the lineup when theres plenty of people who you would assume could give you .175 out of the RF and 2B spot. If you get anything north of that, then wouldn't that be considered a valid change? Keep them on the roster for late inning defensive replacements. Eppler needs to force Scioscia's hand on this one as he's incapable of making the right move on his own.

[Angel Oracle]

I still don't get what JMF did to not get a promotion.     What can Valnobuena do that he can't??????????????

[krAbs]

It would be pretty cool to replace Calhoun/Valbuena/Kinsler with Hermosillo/JMF/Fletcher.  I understand why we aren't doing that (kinda), but man...I would enjoy watching this team a lot more if we tried something like that...not really 100% sure what else JMF and Fletcher have to prove in the minors right now. As far as Calhoun...last time I went to a game, beach balls kept getting knocked onto the field from the stands. I kinda wanted Scioscia to start one of those beach balls at RF instead of Calhoun.

[GrittyVeterans]

The Valbuena love affair I really don't understand. he has a small track record of being a solid hitter at the MLB level. At least with Calhoun and Kinsler they were good players for an extended period of time.

Luis had a year and a half where he was okay. 

Time to move in a different direction

[Angel Oracle]

Has the opposing pitching been THAT good over the past 38 games?????

What is the cumulative ERA and WHIP against all teams, of all pitchers that the Halos have faced over the past 38 games?

[BackUpTheTruck]

10 minutes ago, GrittyVeterans said:

The Valbuena love affair I really don't understand.

"Launch angle." But only when he actually makes contact.

[Angel Oracle]

2 minutes ago, BackUpTheTruck said:

"Launch angle." But only when he actually makes contact.

And he has just 4 HRs in 130 at bats, waay off his numbers since 2014. 

[T.G.]

JMF is not on the 40 man roster... that's probably a contributing factor to his not being called up. 

If he is called up - can he be sent down without having to go through waivers?

[BackUpTheTruck]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

And he has just 4 HRs in 130 at bats, waay off his numbers since 2014. 

On pace for a career high in strikeouts too. Worst OBP of his career. He's more finished than Hanley Ramirez right now.

[Angel Oracle]

Just now, BackUpTheTruck said:

On pace for a career high in strikeouts too. Worst OBP of his career. He's more finished than Hanley Ramirez right now.

Rarely ever walks anymore, after walking a lot before this season.   What is that about??????

[BackUpTheTruck]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

Rarely ever walks anymore, after walking a lot before this season.   What is that about??????

Perhaps pitchers are no longer scared to throw strikes against him.

[Angelsfan1984]

25 minutes ago, krAbs said:

It would be pretty cool to replace Calhoun/Valbuena/Kinsler with Hermosillo/JMF/Fletcher.  I understand why we aren't doing that (kinda), but man...I would enjoy watching this team a lot more if we tried something like that...not really 100% sure what else JMF and Fletcher have to prove in the minors right now. As far as Calhoun...last time I went to a game, beach balls kept getting knocked onto the field from the stands. I kinda wanted Scioscia to start one of those beach balls at RF instead of Calhoun.

I'm betting that if the pitcher threw a beach ball that Calhoun still wouldn't be able to hit it with a tennis racket.

[BackUpTheTruck]

Tuesday and Wednesday is trash night for a lot of folks, Angels should follow suit. We have some old stuff stinkin' up the joint.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, fan_since79 said:

I just saw today's lineup posted over at Facebook.

Valbuena, Kinsler, and Calhoun are in, of course. 

Was it Einstein who said that insanity was attempting to do the same thing over and over again without success? 

Some major changes have to made or our playoff possibilities will go right down the drain. This offense is dreadful, and the manager as stubborn as can be. His bosses need to step in before it's too late.

Unless you mean changes to the batting order..  not sure he is the one making the call who is on the 25 man or not.   At least they are all being made to sit together at the bottom of the lineup ...  Which is awful for different reasons.

[Angelsfan1984]

Maybe they'll let us only bat 1-5 but get 2 outs an inning rather than 3...

[Stradling]

2 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

There are several personnel down in the minors whose names have been mentioned and discussed on multiple threads.

I don't know when the exact time is to bring one or more of them up, but Kinsler and Valbuena have no place in a major league lineup.

Shift Cozart to 2nd base and use Marte more. Put him at 3rd for now. Isn't his defense there not as bad as at first base? Albert can play most days at 1st base. When he needs a day off, use Valbuena there if you must. 

Calhoun, we probably have little choice right now, as Young is as bad as him or worse.

Kinsler should not get any more at-bats except in a reserve capacity. He can be a later innings defensive replacement with Cozart moving back to third. You can minimize any defensive liability with Marte in the late innings by getting him out of the game.

 

 

1 hour ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

At this point, why not just DFA valbuena or Marte and bring in someone like JMF? 2 crappy redundant players just taking at bats from others. I'd say give the RF job to Hermosillo. If Calhoun really is better then let him earn it. No reason to have so many black holes in the lineup when theres plenty of people who you would assume could give you .175 out of the RF and 2B spot. If you get anything north of that, then wouldn't that be considered a valid change? Keep them on the roster for late inning defensive replacements. Eppler needs to force Scioscia's hand on this one as he's incapable of making the right move on his own.

I agree with both of these posts, except I think Marte is less than good, so I wouldn't start him.  I would probably just release them both and bring up Cowart and JMF and let them battle it out to see who starts and where.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

I just got home from a class and turned on the game. Thr first inning i see has valbuena homer, kinsler double, and maldonado homer. Its all the guys everyones been knocking. Freakin pujols has 3 hits.

Lets start doing playoff lineup threads again.

[JustATroutFan]

16 minutes ago, Randy Gradishar said:

Maldy hasn't really been hated on though.

He plays good defense and isn't getting paid that much.....unlike the other black holes in the lineup. 

[stormngt]

5 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

There are several personnel down in the minors whose names have been mentioned and discussed on multiple threads.

I don't know when the exact time is to bring one or more of them up, but Kinsler and Valbuena have no place in a major league lineup.

Shift Cozart to 2nd base and use Marte more. Put him at 3rd for now. Isn't his defense there not as bad as at first base? Albert can play most days at 1st base. When he needs a day off, use Valbuena there if you must. 

Calhoun, we probably have little choice right now, as Young is as bad as him or worse.

Kinsler should not get any more at-bats except in a reserve capacity. He can be a later innings defensive replacement with Cozart moving back to third. You can minimize any defensive liability with Marte in the late innings by getting him out of the game.

 

Quit blaming the manager when it's the GM he decides who is on the roster!

 

[Lou]

Like Clockwork 

[Lou]

Kinsler and Valbuena

6-8 

3 HRs

1 2B

6 RBI

6 Runs 

1 HUGE LOL 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Kinsler and Valbuena

6-8 

3 HRs

1 2B

6 RBI

6 Runs 

1 HUGE LOL 

If I had to put money on one of these guys to play relatively well the rest of the season it would be Kinsler.  At least I know he can play defense.