The Official TROUTstanding Thread

[Angels 1961]

Angels have interest in Dan Straily, I guess we will never learn or did Harvey already sign?

[Chuck]

Mike Trout is once again MLB Network's #1 player in all of baseball. Teammate Anthony Rendon, #8. 

 

[tdawg87]

[oldguy]

On 9/28/2020 at 9:53 AM, Blarg said:

WAR is cumulative (like RBI or home runs) so a 60 game season really screwed Trout's stats.

True, but missing 3 years due to WWII cost Ted Williams the number one spot.

[fan_since79]

https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-trout-stat-strange-but-true

[Taylor]

That's the most Mike Trout thing I've ever heard.

[Lou]

TROLL ALERT!

[Stradling]

Yep. 

[arch stanton]

35 minutes ago, lester said:

lol...but its true

6 K in 4 games means you're either bad at math or a lying sack of troll. Or both

[WicketMaiden]

53 minutes ago, lester said:

lol...but its true

No, it really isn't. Mike Trout stats:

2018 - 140 games / 124 strikeouts = 0.89 S/O per game

2019 - 134 games / 120 strikeouts = 0.90 S/O per game

2020 - 53 games / 56 strikeouts = 1.05 S/O per game

You're either a troll, or a misinformed numpty.

[Stradling]

We’ve had a lot of trolls who’ve lasted quite a long time.  But if you are going to troll Trout you will get a very short leash because it simply means you’re the dumbest of the dumb and we don’t have time for that. 

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, lester said:

lol...but its true

Mike Trout four games into the season .333/.556/.417/.972

You cannot average two strikeouts a game and run a .556 on base percentage. 

How are your Yankees doing, Lester? 

[Angelsjunky]

Here's an update on where Trout is on the all-time fWAR leaderboard. This includes all those within 10 WAR of Trout's season starting WAR (75.6), so are all contenders to be passed this year.

29. Roger Connor 86.2

30. George Brett 84.6

31. George Davis 84.6

32. Chipper Jones 84.6

33. Adrian Beltre 84.1

34. Joe DiMaggio 83.1

35. Roberto Clemente 80.6

36. Jeff Bagwell 80.2

37. Pete Rose 80.2

38. Brooks Robinson 80.2

39. Dan Brouthers 79.5

40. Charlie Gehringer 78.6

41. Ken Griffey Jr 77.7

42. Bill Dahlen 77.4

43. Mike Trout 76.4

44. Johnny Bench 74.8

45. Frankie Frisch 74.8

He should be in the top 40 sometime in the next month or month and a half, and the top 30 by the end of this year or early next year. Beyond that--the top 20 (Jimmie Foxx at #20 with 101.8), top 10 (Stan Musial with 126.8), etc, I won't speculate. We don't yet know when or how he'll decline, which will determine whether he ends with ~110-120 WAR (very early/quick decline), ~130-140 WAR (moderate decline), or 150+ WAR (late/slow decline).

 

[Blarg]

Being cheated out of 100 games last season removed at least 6 WAR from his current standings. He really should be close to Joe DiMaggio at this point. 

[Angelsjunky]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Being cheated out of 100 games last season removed at least 6 WAR from his current standings. He really should be close to Joe DiMaggio at this point. 

Yep. It also lost him the "best through age X" run, and he'll probably never get it back.

[Angelsjunky]

One more thing to note. All of the guys on that list have at least 400 games on Trout. Meaning, if he had the same amount of games played as the lowest total (Dan Brouthers at 1673), he'd have about 25 more WAR - or over 100. 

[Blarg]

8 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Yep. It also lost him the "best through age X" run, and he'll probably never get it back.

Then again, DiMaggio lost his 28-30 years to service time so he also should be higher on the list, along with Williams that missed time for WWII and Korea. 

[Angelsjunky]

13 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Then again, DiMaggio lost his 28-30 years to service time so he also should be higher on the list, along with Williams that missed time for WWII and Korea. 

Williams is particularly striking because he lost three full seasons during his prime, when he was averaging over 10 WAR per season, then most of two more a few years later. WIthout the wars, Williams would be there with Ruth and Bonds - above Cobb and Mays.

In other words, fuck war for reducing Ted's WAR.

[Redondo]

War, what is it good for?

[fan_since79]

[fan_since79]

Mike is on a 16.0 season WAR pace.

1.0 WAR after just ten games. (Baseball Reference)

1.394 OPS.

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

On 2/20/2021 at 5:56 PM, oldguy said:

True, but missing 3 years due to WWII cost Ted Williams the number one spot.

And Korea.

But so did a bunch of other guys from that era.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Ill add here that the old legends also had the benefit of reduced competition... no blacks or dominicans... plenty of probably decent players who never gave it a real shot because of the war, etc etc

[Angelsjunky]

4 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Ill add here that the old legends also had the benefit of reduced competition... no blacks or dominicans... plenty of probably decent players who never gave it a real shot because of the war, etc etc

Racist?

[oldguy]

6 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Ill add here that the old legends also had the benefit of reduced competition... no blacks or dominicans... plenty of probably decent players who never gave it a real shot because of the war, etc etc

Agree.