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This just never gets old. If you don't want to look, it is fWAR from 2012-18. Check it out:

1. Mike Trout 58.7

2. Josh Donaldson 36.0

3. Andrew McCutchen 34.3

4. Buster Posey 32.9

5. Joey Votto 32.6

Look at that gap: 22.7 WAR between Trout and everyone else, or an average of 3.2 WAR higher per year. I think we'd be hard-pressed to find a gap that large between the best and second best players. Even Rogers Hornsby was closer to Babe Ruth. Anyhow, the gap will get larger by year's end - maybe around 25.

Evan Longoria is #22 on that last at 22.6 WAR. In other words, in those seven years Trout's WAR is the same total as Donaldson and Longoria combined.

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This pod cast talks about releasing Pujols, the mariners/angels chances to make playoffs. The last third of the podcast discusses the Greatness of Mike Trout and how foolish it is to try and say Harper, Betts or anyone else are better players than Trout.

What Jerry Dipoto Did, Gleyber Torres and the Youth, and Stop Disrespecting Mike Trout

https://www.theringer.com/2018/5/29/17407440/mlb-show-podcast-jerry-dipoto-gleyber-torres-mike-trout

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Trending up! Wonder where he'll be come end of the season

March                             .267 .267 .600 .867
April                             .295 .427 .636 1.064
May                             .313 .480 .698 1.178
June                             .450 .476 .750 1.226

 

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Another juicy stat. Through June 4, Trout's 5.1 fWAR is equal to or better than any two position players except for those in the top 8. Think about that. In other words, Trout's value is equal to the the value of the 9th and 10th best position players this year...who are Freddie Freeman and Brandon Belt. 

Or how this: Trout's 5.1 fWAR is equal to the combined fWAR of Bryce Harper, Kris Bryant, and Joey Votto.

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More on Trout's 5.1 fWAR, now through 62 games. 5.1 fWAR is...

...As good or better than all but 17 players last year - in the entire season.

...as good as Garret Anderson's best year, 2003.

...better than all but one Tim Salmon year (1995, 5.8) or Darin Erstad year (2000, 8.7).

...is still on pace for 13.3 fWAR, which would be the best non-Ruthian season in major league history.

Now I personally think it is very unlikely that he keeps that fWAR pace, but he's pretty much a lock for 10 WAR (would only need 4.9 through the next 100 games, which would be pace of his worst season ever), has a very good chance of 11 WAR, with a solid chance at 12+. To put those in context, here are the number of x WAR seasons in baseball history:

13+: 4 (all Ruth)

12+: 10 (Ruth 6, Bonds 2, Gehrig 1, Hornsby 1)

11+: 25 (Ruth 6, Bonds 3, Hornsby 3, Williams 3, Mantle 2, Cobb 2, Gehrig 1, Morgan 1, Yaz 1, Foxx 1, Musial 1, Wagner 1)

10+ 52 (including 2 by Trout)

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Or how about this. 10 fWAR seasons by decade:

2010s: 2 - Trout x2 (2012, 2013)

2000s: 5 - Bonds x4 (2001-04), Rodriguez (2002)

1990s: 3 - Henderson (1990), Ripken (1991), Bonds (1993)

1980s: None

1970s: 1 - Morgan (1975)

1960s: 6 - Mays x3 (1962, 1964, 1965), Cash (1961), Mantle (1961), Yaz (1967)

1950s: 3 - Mantle x2 (1956-57), Mays (1954)

1940s: 6 - Williams x4 (1941-42, 46-47), Boudreau 1948), Musial (1948)

1930s: 4 - Ruth x2 (1930-31), Foxx (1932), Gehrig 1934)

1920s: 14 - Ruth x7 (1920-21, 23-24, 26-28), Hornsby x6 (1921-22, 24-25, 27, 29),  Gehrig (1927)

1910s: 4 - Cobb x3 (1910-11, 17), Speaker (1912)

1900s: 3 - Wagner x2 (1905, 08) Collins (1909)

1890s: 0

1880s: 1 Dunlap (1884)

1870s: 0

 

One interesting result from looking like that is to get a sense of just how rare a 10 WAR season is. In the last 50 years, 1968-2017, there have only been 11 such seasons. This year Trout will probably make it 12, meaning he'll own fully one quarter of all 10+ fWAR seasons of the last half century.

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On 6/6/2018 at 5:54 PM, Angelsjunky said:

Or how about this. 10 fWAR seasons by decade:

2010s: 2 - Trout x2 (2012, 2013)

2000s: 5 - Bonds x4 (2001-04), Rodriguez (2002)

1990s: 3 - Henderson (1990), Ripken (1991), Bonds (1993)

1980s: None

1970s: 1 - Morgan (1975)

1960s: 6 - Mays x3 (1962, 1964, 1965), Cash (1961), Mantle (1961), Yaz (1967)

1950s: 3 - Mantle x2 (1956-57), Mays (1954)

1940s: 6 - Williams x4 (1941-42, 46-47), Boudreau 1948), Musial (1948)

1930s: 4 - Ruth x2 (1930-31), Foxx (1932), Gehrig 1934)

1920s: 14 - Ruth x7 (1920-21, 23-24, 26-28), Hornsby x6 (1921-22, 24-25, 27, 29),  Gehrig (1927)

1910s: 4 - Cobb x3 (1910-11, 17), Speaker (1912)

1900s: 3 - Wagner x2 (1905, 08) Collins (1909)

1890s: 0

1880s: 1 Dunlap (1884)

1870s: 0

 

One interesting result from looking like that is to get a sense of just how rare a 10 WAR season is. In the last 50 years, 1968-2017, there have only been 11 such seasons. This year Trout will probably make it 12, meaning he'll own fully one quarter of all 10+ fWAR seasons of the last half century.

What I got from this exercise is that Rogers Hornsby is probably not given enough credit as one of the all time greats. You rarely hear his name mentioned in those discussions.  Guy was crazy good.r

What's weird is you do see Ty Cobb a lot in those discussions. But then you look at the numbers, and they were basically the same guy. Hell, Hornsby hit for more power and had a better OPS. 

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1 hour ago, GrittyVeterans said:

What I got from this exercise is that Rogers Hornsby is probably not given enough credit as one of the all time greats. You rarely hear his name mentioned in those discussions.  Guy was crazy good.r

What's weird is you do see Ty Cobb a lot in those discussions. But then you look at the numbers, and they were basically the same guy. Hell, Hornsby hit for more power and had a better OPS. 

Agreed. Hornsby is a bit underrated historically, I think for a few reasons. One, he was over-shadowed by Ruth. He has the NL's best player during the 20s while Ruth was the AL's, but there was a gap between them but not huge. But the gap between them and everyone else was even more extreme. Here are the fWAR leaders for the 1920s:

1. Babe Ruth 108.0

2. Rogers Hornsby 97.0

3. Frankie Frisch 56.6

4. Harry Heilmann 54.1

5. Tris Speaker 49.8

That's a HUGE gap between #2 and 3. Gehrig came in the late 20s and was comparable. If you don't buy WAR for older players, here's wRC+:

1. Ruth 206

2. Hornsby 186

3. Gehrig 170

4. Foxx 160

5. Heilmann 153

Another reason Hornsby is somewhat forgotten is that he was a monumental asshole - like Cobb, but Cobb's legacy has stood the test of time for some reason.

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With four HR in two games Trout's triple-slash is now.310/.438/.682, with 5.6 fWAR in 68 games played - that's a 13.34 pace, better than all but two Ruth seasons. Let's start keeping track of where his season is historically.

From 1871-2018, there are 15,328 qualified player seasons. Trout's 5.6 fWAR is roughly #1410 of 15,328 player seasons...in other words, Trout's 2018 is already equal to or better than 92% of all seasons. In 68 games played.

 

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Has science advanced enough that they could clone Trout? Can they do this now and have the clone in the lineup by this weekend?  How about one of those 3-D printers?  Would that work?  At this point, I'd take a hologram.

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With HRs #20 and #21 Monday night, Mike Trout became the first player in Angels’ history with 20+ HRs in seven straight seasons...Joins Alex Rodriguez and Mickey Mantle as only A.L. players to amass seven seasons of 20+ HRs prior to their age-27 season.

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