The Official TROUTstanding Thread

[Angelsjunky]

11 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Trout will finish with 49 HR, 9.9 WAR, and a .299 batting average.

Believe me, I've thought of that. I don't care as much about the BA, but the HR and WAR would be annoying. 

[tdawg87]

Trout has hit 14 HR in 22 games.

Does anyone know if that's good?

[Dick B Back]

Trout working his way up the Angels single season HR board again.

 

[Stradling]

3 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Trout has hit 14 HR in 22 games.

Does anyone know if that's good?

Not according to the dudes who vote for player of the month. 

[Angelsjunky]

Pretty sad that only one guy in almost 60 years has hit more than 41 HR.

[Lou]

7 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Pretty sad that only one guy in almost 60 years has hit more than 41 HR.

Bruin 

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

Pretty sad that only one guy in almost 60 years has hit more than 41 HR.

I'm surprised to see that Tim Salmon never hit more than 35 HR in a season.

[Angelsjunky]

7.6 fWAR, 38 HR through 115 Angels games.

Current pace: 10.7 fWAR, 53.5 HR.

Even if he slows down he's got a good chance of 10 and 50.

[Dick B Back]

20 more HRs and Trout ties Salmon at 299.

[tdawg87]

9 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

20 more HRs and Trout ties Salmon at 299.

Tbh this is kind of ridiculous and surreal. He's going to be the all-time HR leader before he turns 29.

That's a grown ass man.

[ScottT]

At the rate he's been going, he could top 299 by the end of this season.

[tdawg87]

5 hours ago, ScottT said:

At the rate he's been going, he could top 299 by the end of this season.

Tbh I'd cream.

[Angelsjunky]

Trout's at 7.7 fWAR with Bogaerts #2 in the AL at 5.2. That's not only a 2.5 gap, but a huge lead in percentile. I'll do some research into how it looks historically, but what is worth noting is that Trout has probably already clinched the AL WAR lead in mid-August as Bogaerts is unlikely to surpass 7.5ish WAR for the season. 

[Angelsjunky]

I just discovered that Trout reached a rather rare benchmark this year: 70+ fWAR in an eight-year span. How many players have done that? Trout is the tenth. Here is the list of every player (twenty in all) with at least one eight-year span of 60+ fWAR. The number in parentheses is how many eight-year spans (including overlap) that player has surpassed 60 fWAR. I've ordered them by their best span.

89.7 Babe Ruth 1020-27 (13)

77.1 Ted Williams 1939-42, 46-49 (4)

76.9 Rogers Hornsby 1920-27 (9)

76.0 Honus Wagner 1902-09 (8)

75.6 Barry Bonds 1997-04 (14)

75.3 Willie Mays 1958-65 (10)

74.1 Lou Gehrig 1927-34 (7)

72.1 Mickey Mantle 1954-61 (6)

72.0 Ty Cobb 1910-07 (7)

71.9 Mike Trout 2012-19 (2)

67.8 Eddie Collins 1909-16 (3)

65.6 Alex Rodriguez 2000-07 (6)

65.3 Jimmie Foxx 1929-36 (5)

64.6 Albert Pujols 2003-10 (3)

64.5 Mike Schmidt 1974-81 (4)

64.0 Stan Musial 1946-53 (3)

63.9 Tris Speaker 1910-17 (4)

62.0 Joe Morgan 1970-77 (2)

61.9 Hank Aaron 1959-66 (6)

60.0 Wade Boggs 1982-89 (1)

 

You'll notice that I "cheated" for Williams, skipping over the years he missed due to WW2. I think that is only fair, considering. Joe DiMaggio is another all-time great who missed a few prime years to war, but even skipping he years he doesn't quite make the cut.

So twenty players, and Trout's best is tenth. By year's end he should pass Cobb, Mantle, and maybe Gehrig. It is also his second 60+ WAR span, 2011-18 makes the cut despite him only playing 40 games in 2011.

For those wanting to bag on Bonds for being up there, notice the number in parentheses: 14. Meaning, 14 different times he had an 8-year span of 60+ fWAR. His first was 1987-94, his last 2000-07; even if we ignore the "roid years" of 1999 on, his best was 69.5 in 1990-97. An amazing player.

[Angelsjunky]

As I mentioned in the Trout Slump August Edition Thread, Trout's now up to 8.0 fWAR for the season, making it his seventh (of eight) seasons of 8+ fWAR. He was on pace in 2017 but only played 114 games and finished with 6.9 fWAR.

Consider this: More often than not, 8 fWAR is the best player in baseball. 6 WAR is a superstar, so 8 WAR is fully 133% of a superstar season.

How many position players have seven 8 WAR seasons? The list is short: Ruth  and Mays with 11 each; Bonds with 10; Hornsby, Gehrig ,Wagner, and Williams with 8 each; and Eddie Collins and Trout with 7 each.

Good company.

Here's something even more impressive: Barring catastrophe, Trout will finish with his sixth 9+ fWAR season. How many players have six 9+ fWAR seasons? The list is also really short: Ruth with 10, Bonds and Hornsby with 8 each; Mays with 7; Wagner, Williams, and A-Rod with 6 each.

Notice players that aren't on either list:  

So in summary, Trout just became the ninth player in major league history with at least seven 8+ fWAR seasons, and will soon become the eighth player with at least six 9+ fWAR seasons. 

If he reaches 10 fWAR, he'll be the eighth player with at least three 10+ fWAR seasons, but I'll leave that for when he gets closer.

[Angelsjunky]

This is just getting ridiculous.

With 72.9 fWAR through his age 27 season, Trout is now +4.1 over 2nd place Ty Cobb.

For age 28 (next year), he's -5.7 below Cobb. In other words, even if his season ended today, he'd only need 5.8 WAR next year to have the lead through age 28.

Age 27: +4.1 (over Ty Cobb)

Age 28: -5.7 (behind Ty Cobb)

Age 29: -15.0 (behind Rogers Hornsby)

So he needs to average 7.5 WAR in 2020 and 2021 to have the highest WAR before age 30, and that isn't even counting the 2-3 more WAR he's going to accrue this year. After this year the average needed will be more like 6.5.

[tdawg87]

[Angelsjunky]

Here's another. Trout's ISO is .371 this year, which is 23rd best all-time. 

Players with .370+ ISO in a season: Ruth x6, Bonds x5, McGwire x4, Gehrig, Foxx, F Thomas, Belle, Thome, Bagwell, Mantle, Sosa, Trout (so far).

ISO = Isolated Power, which is basically SLG - BA, or extra base hits per at bat. Its basically raw power.

[fan_since79]

Forgive me if this has been posted already:

With one more stolen base, Trout will become the first player ever with 250 home runs and 200 stolen bases before his age-28 season.

 

[Angelsjunky]

Another great Trout stat: Once he gets to 9 fWAR, then six of the last ten 9 fWAR position player seasons will belong to him. All four of the others belong to individual players (Pujols, Posey, Harper, Betts). That's simply mind-boggling.

[Angelsjunky]

Another one: 

You probably know that Trout is on pace to lead the majors in fWAR for the 4th time, fifth time if you include the 2015 tie with Bryce Harper. The only years he didn't lead were 2012, which is only retroactive with the change in catcher defense, his injured 2017 and last year, when Betts had a monster year. Five of eight isn't so bad.

But consider this: Trout leads any span of multiple years from 2012-19. Meaning, take any span of 2+ years within Trout's full-time career and you'll find Trout as the leader: 2012 to anything, 2013 to anything, 2014 to anything, etc. Trout leads. 

@tdawg87?

[tdawg87]

[Angelsjunky]

Sweet jesus.

Makes me want to eat rambutan.

[wopphil]

If he doesnt start hitting again, he might be in jeopardy of winning the MVP.

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, wopphil said:

If he doesnt start hitting again, he might be in jeopardy of winning the MVP.

That bases loaded pop out last night showed me he doesn't want the MVP.

Last year's MVP came up huge last night. Trout was a big reason they lost.

This is hyperbole of course, but he's been awful for a couple weeks now. And Aug/Sept are typically his worst months. Now he's unlikely to reach 50 homers and 10 WAR. 

Prove me wrong, Mike. You're the only reason I even care right now.