Justin Anderson

[Stradling]

29 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

I literally cannot remember Scioscia ever using a rookie the way he has used Justin Anderson.

Most of us had no damn clue who he was until he showed up with a slim lead in Houston and fires 99 for his first pitch. I mean, I can only ever remember him easing guys in. To throw him in the highest leverage situations we have is something way out of character.

Bedrosian was closing in his first or second game.  

Jordan Walden also was the closer in the first series of the season where Rodney struggled. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

3 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

Bedrosian was closing in his first or second game.  

Jordan Walden also was the closer in the first series of the season where Rodney struggled. 

 

Well, Walden got his feet wet in his first year in 2010. He didn't save a game until his 11th appearance, and his first 3 appearances were in games the angels were losing.

Cam also debuted in a blowout game the Angels were losing, and got his only save chance in his 4th appearance (which he promptly blew) that season. His second apperance he came in in the 8th inning with the Angels down one and gave up 3 more.

I don't know man, those guys were even highly touted coming up and they haven't gotten the kind of welcome Anderson has, who none of us knew (even the big minor league guys here).

Another big one was Kohn, again debuted in blowouts. Morin, eased in in mostly blowouts again.

[stormngt]

32 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

Bedrosian was closing in his first or second game.  

Jordan Walden also was the closer in the first series of the season where Rodney struggled. 

Dont forget about KRod

[JarsOfClay]

7 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I thought Scioscia hates young players?

There's a misconception here. Scioscia hates young positional players.

 

[Angelsfan1984]

2 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

There's a misconception here. Scioscia hates young positional players.

 

He is stubborn AF. Unless a guy comes in and lights the world on fire he sticks with the same moves over and over. I bet he wishes he still had Scott Shields for the 8th and Percy for the 9th. He didn't have to think and it was never the wrong move. Now if he can only get that damn batting order correct, he'd probably get another 10 year contract.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

3 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

There's a misconception here. Scioscia hates young positional players.

 

Trout was 19, did Scioscia hate him originally? I forget.

[Blarg]

8 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

There's a misconception here. Scioscia hates young positional players.

 

Molina, Eckstein, Kotchman, Kendrick, Aybar, Morales, Mathis, Napoli, Trout, Calhoun all replaced veterans at their positions. If the minor leagues produce the talent, Scioscia plays them. I think the key word is talent, not just someone new to the majors.

[Billy_Ball]

Mark Trumbo

[JarsOfClay]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Molina, Eckstein, Kotchman, Kendrick, Aybar, Morales, Mathis, Napoli, Trout, Calhoun all replaced veterans at their positions. If the minor leagues produce the talent, Scioscia plays them. I think the key word is talent, not just someone new to the majors.

He played them because he had no other choice.  But if there's an option between Steve Finley and Mike Trout, Finley wins every time.

[Blarg]

No other choice? Jars are you painting yourself into a corner again or do you just like getting shown up?

 

[tomsred]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

No other choice? Jars are you painting yourself into a corner again or do you just like getting shown up?

 

He's craving attention, he wants to be relevant again.

[stormngt]

5 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

There's a misconception here. Scioscia hates young positional players.

 

You mean like Trout and Bourjos,  wasn't Perez and Bundy out two catchers in 2016? Plus McPherson was pretty much given the position his rookie year.

And wasn't Aybar and Kendrick pretty much given their spots as Cabrera was traded and Kennedy let go? 

[Tank]

5 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

He played them because he had no other choice.  But if there's an option between Steve Finley and Mike Trout, Finley wins every time.

 

[disarcina]

Justin Anderson is a feel good story -- his debut in front of his Texas home town crowd (Mom and sister prominently shown on TV as well as high school class mates) was a great story and he pitched a scoreless inning for a hold...........

he's a bit older for a rookie -- let's see how he does. I think he gets ticketed back to AA or SLC soon.

[Billy_Ball]

10 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

He played them because he had no other choice.  But if there's an option between Steve Finley and Mike Trout, Finley wins every time.

But I clearly remember in 2012....Trout in, Abreu out.

[JarsOfClay]

11 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

He is stubborn AF. Unless a guy comes in and lights the world on fire he sticks with the same moves over and over. I bet he wishes he still had Scott Shields for the 8th and Percy for the 9th. He didn't have to think and it was never the wrong move. Now if he can only get that damn batting order correct, he'd probably get another 10 year contract.

Ya I said in spring training Scioscia needs a krod type of closer in his bullpen so he doesn't have to overthink things in the late innings. That's why i was pushing for a legit closer in the offseason but maybe Johnson can be that guy.  I dont get why the angels dont give him a shot at closing.

As for the batting order, you're right again.  Seriously, what's with the 4 right handers in a row? Can Scioscia make it any easier for the opposing manager to matchup his bullpen against our lineup?  Why not put Ohtani or even Calhoun at #2? At least the manager might have to think "Do I bring in a lefty to face Ohtani, or stick with a righty in case we have to face Trout?"  And the way the lineup is setup right now - it's easy to bring in a lefty to face the bottom of the lineup with Ohtani and Kalhoun the only legit left handed threats.

Again no tough decisions need to be made for the opposing manger. 

Im just thankful that this is Scioscia's last year.

 

[Inside Pitch]

13 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

He is stubborn AF. Unless a guy comes in and lights the world on fire he sticks with the same moves over and over. I bet he wishes he still had Scott Shields for the 8th and Percy for the 9th. He didn't have to think and it was never the wrong move. Now if he can only get that damn batting order correct, he'd probably get another 10 year contract.

What idiot in MLB wouldnt wish they had Scot Shields?   BTW, Mike Scioscia's usage of Scot Shields in leverage situations and not simply the 8th got a lot of play on advance metric sites like BBProspectus...   It was his usage of Shields that is often pointed to as the birth of the modern set up man..  But, don't let reality cloud a good narrative.

[stormngt]

16 hours ago, Blarg said:

Molina, Eckstein, Kotchman, Kendrick, Aybar, Morales, Mathis, Napoli, Trout, Calhoun all replaced veterans at their positions. If the minor leagues produce the talent, Scioscia plays them. I think the key word is talent, not just someone new to the majors.

in all fairness, Calhoun replaced Bourjos.  Although not a rookie, I think Bourjos only had three years of service time.

[stormngt]

4 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

Ya I said in spring training Scioscia needs a krod type of closer in his bullpen so he doesn't have to overthink things in the late innings. That's why i was pushing for a legit closer in the offseason but maybe Johnson can be that guy.  I dont get why the angels dont give him a shot at closing.

As for the batting order, you're right again.  Seriously, what's with the 4 right handers in a row? Can Scioscia make it any easier for the opposing manager to matchup his bullpen against our lineup?  Why not put Ohtani or even Calhoun at #2? At least the manager might have to think "Do I bring in a lefty to face Ohtani, or stick with a righty in case we have to face Trout?"  And the way the lineup is setup right now - it's easy to bring in a lefty to face the bottom of the lineup with Ohtani and Kalhoun the only legit left handed threats.

Again no tough decisions need to be made for the opposing manger. 

Im just thankful that this is Scioscia's last year.

 

Lets put your argument into perspective.  You are suggesting that Scioscia has only two really good options for left handed batters to bat in the top of the lineup.  First is Ohtani who is only batting three games a week and is going to be babied with any minor injury because he is needed to be fully healthy to pitch.  Second is Calhoun who is having a hard time putting wood on the ball, let alone getting on base.

[Angel Oracle]

9 hours ago, disarcina said:

Justin Anderson is a feel good story -- his debut in front of his Texas home town crowd (Mom and sister prominently shown on TV as well as high school class mates) was a great story and he pitched a scoreless inning for a hold...........

he's a bit older for a rookie -- let's see how he does. I think he gets ticketed back to AA or SLC soon.

25 isn’t really that old for a rookie, especially when they pitched in college.

[Stradling]

5 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

Ya I said in spring training Scioscia needs a krod type of closer in his bullpen so he doesn't have to overthink things in the late innings. That's why i was pushing for a legit closer in the offseason but maybe Johnson can be that guy.  I dont get why the angels dont give him a shot at closing.

As for the batting order, you're right again.  Seriously, what's with the 4 right handers in a row? Can Scioscia make it any easier for the opposing manager to matchup his bullpen against our lineup?  Why not put Ohtani or even Calhoun at #2? At least the manager might have to think "Do I bring in a lefty to face Ohtani, or stick with a righty in case we have to face Trout?"  And the way the lineup is setup right now - it's easy to bring in a lefty to face the bottom of the lineup with Ohtani and Kalhoun the only legit left handed threats.

Again no tough decisions need to be made for the opposing manger. 

Im just thankful that this is Scioscia's last year.

 

Last four games Ohtani has hit:

Ohtani batted 5th Kole batted 8th

Ohtani batted 4th Kole batted 8th

Ohtani batted 6th Kole batted 8th

Ohtani batted 6th Kole didn’t play

 

seems like Scioscia took your advice.   

As for you blaming Scioscia for not batting Ohtani 2nd.  Eppler wants Trout batting 2nd because of the extra 20 at bats a season.  Also, have you ever heard of a right handed specialist?  Me neither, so bunching the top or middle of your line up with righties is fine if that’s how your team is constructed   

 

 

[Angel Oracle]

3 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

As for you blaming Scioscia for not batting Ohtani 2nd.  Eppler wants Trout batting 2nd because of the extra 20 at bats a season.  Also, have you ever heard of a right handed specialist?  Me neither, so bunching the top or middle of your line up with righties is fine if that’s how your team is constructed   

 

 

This is a good point about specialists, and maybe even the Skanks are adjusting to this as they aren’t as LHH heavy as they used to be.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

This is a good point about specialists, and maybe even the Skanks are adjusting to this as they aren’t as LHH heavy as they used to be.

The top of your line up is generally three of your best hitters or the three that can get on base and do the most damage.  I’d be a lot more worried if they were all left handed.  

[Angel Oracle]

2 minutes ago, SuperTroopers said:

The top of your line up is generally three of your best hitters or the three that can get on base and do the most damage.  I’d be a lot more worried if they were all left handed.  

That is true, but as discussed having a lot of LHHs isn’t truly required.   If someone has Trout’s speed, being a LHH or RHH doesn’t make a whole lot of difference.

[m0nkey]

18 hours ago, SuperTroopers said:

Bedrosian was closing in his first or second game.  

Jordan Walden also was the closer in the first series of the season where Rodney struggled. 

Uh you're not remembering the bedrosian case correctly