We are going to regret not doing more with the pen...

[Troll Daddy]

I’m ok with the relatively young pen for now. I curious to how this all shakes out. No doubt Eppler always looking for a upgrade if something presents itself. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 hours ago, Lou said:

Sure you can. I don't shop at Whole Foods, Burberry or Tesla dealerships for those exact reasons.

....sky mall?

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

so you don't like to smell BO when food shopping, you're not a woman, and you don't like to be set on fire.  good to know.  

I see you've never been to Burberry 

[Lou]

6 hours ago, artesmustache said:

the bullpen has been fine, its the starters and their ridiculous pitch counts. pitching scared. these guys should be fucking embarrassed not going 6 innings every start.

Every start? How about any start? 

It's f'n ridiculous.

[Taylor]

Bullpen tonight: 2 ER in 7 1/3 IP. The Angels would kill for a line like that from a SP.

[Dick B Back]

11 hours ago, Taylor said:

Bullpen tonight: 2 ER in 7 1/3 IP. The Angels would kill for a line like that from a SP.

^

[Farmbuildingfan]

How often did the starters need to be pulled before six innings?.

Were some of the early exits a result of micromanaging, or would any manager with common sense have made the same moves?

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

How often did the starters need to be pulled before six innings?.

Were some of the early exits a result of micromanaging, or would any manager with common sense have made the same moves?

Not this year.   They were pulled due to high pitch counts or ineffectiveness.  

[Farmbuildingfan]

Or in last night's case, bad luck.

 

Should have been scoreless after one inning.

 

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Farmbuildingfan said:

Or in last night's case, bad luck.

 

Should have been scoreless after one inning.

 

How do you figure?  It was one out, two runners on, when the error was made, then a double then a ground out that would have been a 3rd.  

[greginpsca]

The bullpen has to be fairly close to throwing more innings than the starters.    Just looked it up. Before tonites game, the relievers have thrown about 18 innings more than starters. Pathetic!!

[tomsred]

28 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

The bullpen has to be fairly close to throwing more innings than the starters.    Just looked it up. Before tonites game, the relievers have thrown about 18 innings more than starters. Pathetic!!

That is exactly the problem, and it has to change.  The team can't keep going at that pace.

[JustATroutFan]

Pen did terrific tonight but if they are asked to get at least 4 innings every single start, man, it'll only be a matter of before they struggle, themselves.

[Troll Daddy]

I have zero issues with the pen 

[rafibomb]

The only regret I have with the pen right now is how often they are being used.

[Dick B Back]

The only problems I have with the pen right now is they can’t start for the starters and can’t hit for the hitters.

[Jeff Fletcher]

On 4/28/2018 at 9:36 AM, floplag said:

Easy to say in hindsight, but what bothers me is that there wasnt little more than token effort.  We didnt even try for an impactful bullpen piece according to the reports we all read so you cant blame costs when you didnt even walk into the store.  
Bottom line we werent involved in that market at any higher level, and its going to bite us more than a couple times this season. 

I can assure you that the Angels knew the costs of all the available players. 

To follow through your analogy, you can call the store and ask what the prices are and then decide if you want to drive over there and negotiate. 

[floplag]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I can assure you that the Angels knew the costs of all the available players. 

To follow through your analogy, you can call the store and ask what the prices are and then decide if you want to drive over there and negotiate. 

Well, you would obviously know more than I one the matter, but then it makes me wonder why more wasnt done as not all of them went over priced.  
Regardless we made a choice to roll the dice, cant say im that comfortable with it.

[Second Base]

I like Eppler's bullpen philosophy. Acquire for very cheap as many options as possible and letting all unfold.

Blake Parker - Earned a spot because of his dominant performance last year. But as we've seen, we won't be trusting him unless he gives them a reason to.

Key Middleton and Cam Bedrosian are largely in the same boat. 

Jim Johnson has shown his career isn't over yet. Jose Alvarez looks better this year than he has in any years past. Minor leaguers Eduardo Paredes and Justin Anderson earned their way onto this roster. 

Noe Ramirez is spinning the ball like he belongs. Blake Wood looks like he'll return soon, if that's worth anything.

Low cost acquisitions such as Felix Pena, Vicente Campos, Dayan Diaz, Akeel Morris provide depth.

Next year, we'll have Alex Meyer and JC Ramirez coming back and likely going to the bullpen. 

 

[Angel Oracle]

Relievers stats after 28 games:  124 innings, 115 hits, 50 BBs, 124 Ks, 18 HRs, 3.12 ERA, 1.33 WHIP

Starters stats after 28 games:  133 innings, 124 hits, 64 BBs, 144 Ks, 22 HRs, 5.08 ERA, 1.41 WHIP  

[Dick B Back]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Relievers stats after 28 games:  124 innings, 115 hits, 50 BBs, 124 Ks, 18 HRs, 3.12 ERA, 1.33 WHIP

Starters stats after 28 games:  133 innings, 124 hits, 64 BBs, 144 Ks, 22 HRs, 5.08 ERA, 1.41 WHIP  

Homers and walks... walks and homers. I thought things would be better with Nolasco and Chavez gone. Shows what I know which is nada.

[Angel Oracle]

The relievers collective WHIP is high, given the 3.12 ERA. 

[Lou]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

The relievers collective WHIP is high, given the 3.12 ERA. 

That's due to Parker and Ramirez. They have the worst WHIPs and are in the top 4 in innings pitched from the relievers 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Throwman91 said:

If the pen could get a little fuckin' rest they would be even greater, too bad our starters average less than 5 IP per start, that's next level bad.

It's disgusting. The starters should be embarrassed 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Lou

[Angel Oracle]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

It's disgusting. The starters should be embarrassed 

It is true that all of the starters are either rookies like Barria, or battling back from significant time missed the past 1-2 years.

Nonetheless, averaging 4.75 innings/start collectively is embarrassing.