How crazy are things now... the Paul Ryan thread

[red321]

Speaker of the House and biggest phony in Washington announces he won’t run for re-election. 

Nobody seems to notice

Edited April 11, 2018 by Blarg

[the dude abides]

Good riddance, you spineless fuck.

 

[mtangelsfan]

I don't know, we are losing more of the moderates.  That isn't good.

[mtangelsfan]

That's because likes almost anyone in Congress.  

Regardless, as I said in the other Ryan thread, I don't like losing moderates even if they are spineless ones.

[Jason]

14 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

I don't know, we are losing more of the moderates.  That isn't good.

I guess it depends on who replaces him.

[Jason]

I'm sure Ryan will try for Governor or something else. He'll probably throw his hat in the ring for 2024

[mtangelsfan]

Most people that vote in the primaries are hard left or right.  That is a big problem.

[red321]

Walker is running for re-election this year, so unless he's going to primary Walker this year or Walker is going to suddenly drop out...I doubt it.

Ryan is a fake and a phony who we all graciously provided social security survivor benefits that allowed him to go to college after his father died (benefits he would gladly do away with for others). How he's considered a moderate by some really just goes to show just how far to the right the Republican party has swung. He passed his dreamed of tax cuts and is bailing so he doesn't have to deal with the repercussions...probably his biggest regret is he didn't torch social security and medicare as well.

Fuck him...good riddance. our country is better off with him far away from the levers of power

[mtangelsfan]

18 minutes ago, red321 said:

Walker is running for re-election this year, so unless he's going to primary Walker this year or Walker is going to suddenly drop out...I doubt it.

Ryan is a fake and a phony who we all graciously provided social security survivor benefits that allowed him to go to college after his father died (benefits he would gladly do away with for others). How he's considered a moderate by some really just goes to show just how far to the right the Republican party has swung. He passed his dreamed of tax cuts and is bailing so he doesn't have to deal with the repercussions...probably his biggest regret is he didn't torch social security and medicare as well.

Fuck him...good riddance. our country is better off with him far away from the levers of power

He is a moderate in the sense that he was willing to actually compromise with the democrats.  You really want someone in there who won't do that?  Because that is where we are heading.

[red321]

11 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

He is a moderate in the sense that he was willing to actually compromise with the democrats.  You really want someone in there who won't do that?  Because that is where we are heading.

Loose definition of moderate for sure. You are probably correct, though I think that probably had more to do with circumstances than anything else. Paul Ryan helped drive the Republican Party to where it is today, and now is a victim to his own creation.

[floplag]

Its funny how everyone on the other side is a fake, phony, fraud, liar etc... 
I'm not picking on anyone in this thread i just think its funny how those on sides sides vilify the opposition so easily while overlooking the failure of our own.  

[red321]

we all can't be the smart cool kids who sit in the middle declaring everyone else does it

[Jason]

33 minutes ago, floplag said:

Its funny how everyone on the other side is a fake, phony, fraud, liar etc... 
I'm not picking on anyone in this thread i just think its funny how those on sides sides vilify the opposition so easily while overlooking the failure of our own.  

It's simple. Those on the left would rather see a Democrat take his seat and vice versa. Even if Ryan was just over flowing with integrity the left would still want him out of power. 

[nate]

2 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

That's because likes almost anyone in Congress.  

Regardless, as I said in the other Ryan thread, I don't like losing moderates even if they are spineless ones.

Are you saying that Ryan is a moderate?

[mtangelsfan]

9 minutes ago, nate said:

Are you saying that Ryan is a moderate?

He is a moderate in the sense that he was willing to actually compromise with the democrats.  You really want someone in there who won't do that?  Because that is where we are heading.

This was my response to red.

[nate]

Dude is far from moderate.  He only compromised because he has to.  He represents the far right for the most part as seen by him being Trump's bitch.

[Lhalo]

3 minutes ago, nate said:

Dude is far from moderate.  He only compromised because he has to.  He represents the far right for the most part as seen by him being Trump's bitch.

Every republican is far right to you.

[nate]

Just the ones that push the racist, anti-gay, arm everyone in america garbage.

So, most of them.

[UndertheHalo]

MT makes a fair point about what replaces him though.  It always seems worse.  Paul Ryan was politically not a moderate if the perspective is what it meant to be a conservative 25 years ago.  He is an far right fiscal conservative.  But relative to what we’re seeing in the last 10 years or so for what it means to be a republican.  He’s relatively moderate.  Basically.  Not being an ideological zealot lets people call him a moderate.  That’s where we are. 

Edited April 11, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[Glen]

44 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's simple. Those on the left would rather see a Democrat take his seat and vice versa. Even if Ryan was just over flowing with integrity the left would still want him out of power. 

But he wasn't.

[Thomas]

1 hour ago, floplag said:

Its funny how everyone on the other side is a fake, phony, fraud, liar etc... 

It's not like either side is wrong.

[floplag]

45 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's simple. Those on the left would rather see a Democrat take his seat and vice versa. Even if Ryan was just over flowing with integrity the left would still want him out of power. 

Of course, thats all its ever about is the power. 
But, Its not just Ryan, though literally everyone.  We've become a bunch of agree with me 100% or GTFO morons.  There is no debate, the other guy is automatically satan/hitler/someother bullshit in a pathetic effort to dismiss their views instead of listening and debating them rationally.  
The stuff that gets labeled as racist, sexist, anti-thus and so not just here but in general is laughable really and stretched the definitions so thin there is literally no coming back from it. 
My mind cant even comprehend the levels of hypocrisy we've stooped to in vain attempt to claim the mantle of self righteousness.  

[Glen]

The goalposts 

46 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's simple. Those on the left would rather see a Democrat take his seat and vice versa. Even if Ryan was just over flowing with integrity the left would still want him out of power. 

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/mar/04/paul-ryan/paul-ryan-wrong-saying-there-precedent-not-nominat/

 

Paul Ryan, moderate and overflowing with integrity. Fuck him.

[red321]

And keep this in mind about Ryan...the supposed "policy wonk"...year after year he would present draconian budgets that absolutely decimated social services (even on the way out he laments he wasn't able to kill social security)...draconian to the point where most Republicans ran as far away as they could.

But more so...it was Ryan, more than anyone...that legitimized Trump. Each and every wtf during the campaign, and since he has been in office, as the supposed grown-up in the Republican party...Ryan could have stood up...but he didn't, he continuously fell in line or attempted to normalize Trump's behavior. When Nunes ran off the rails...Ryan could have put a stop to it. The House abdicating their responsibility to provide executive branch oversight...and instead becoming the front line of defense for the administration...Ryan has/had the power as Speaker to put a stop to that.

Yeah...fuck that dude...the country is so much better off with him going back to sponging off his rich wife.

 

 

[floplag]

1 minute ago, Thomas said:

It's not like either side is wrong.

a fair point, but its funny to me how neither side sees their own failures and play the role of self righteous asshat