Death Penalty (or lack thereof) in California

[mtangelsfan]

7 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

I agree. Unfortunately this injustice has existed pretty much forever, this is just the best thing we've come up with so far to fix it.

What is fixed?

[Make Angels Great Again]

3 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

And what’s the point of these generalities? The only purpose they can serve is to demonize innocent people by grouping them in with others they don’t know or have any influence over

 

This will never be more relevant:

[Make Angels Great Again]

Just now, mtangelsfan said:

What is fixed?

Well maybe not so much fixed, but more mitigated the negatives.

 

[Adam]

15 minutes ago, Lou said:

Just out of curiosity, was your use of the singular form of a definite article intentional? Are you actually implying that there’s just one black market to which they all belong?

"I never said that."

[mtangelsfan]

2 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Well maybe not so much fixed, but more mitigated the negatives.

 

Strange when the easiest way to fix it is to abolish the death penalty.  

[Lou]

1 hour ago, UndertheHalo said:

Minorities also routinely get stiffer sentences for similar crimes then their white counter parts.  Especially drug related offenses.  Also related to the representation issue.   This is something that has been researched heavily.  It’s indisputable.  Pretty solid evidence of systematic injustice. 

I would like to see the data on this.

Thanks

[Blarg]

I'd like to see if sentencing data is based on priors or the data simply shows the last in a series of convictions. A career criminal is certainly getting harsher sentencing than first time offenders. This isn't traffic court where your parking fine is always the same amount no matter how many previous fines were paid.

[Lou]

53 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

So why call it “the black community” 

So, why have you never called out anyone else here, particularly libs, for using the same term? 

 

[arch stanton]

22 minutes ago, Lou said:

So, why have you never called out anyone else here, particularly libs, for using the same term? 

 

I’m pretty sure I have but I’m not going to search a million plus posts to find it. But hey. Solid rebuttal 

[Lou]

11 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

I’m pretty sure I have but I’m not going to search a million plus posts to find it. But hey. Solid rebuttal 

No, you never have. 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, arch stanton said:

I’m not trying to make any racial point.

 

5 hours ago, arch stanton said:

Since 1973, 161 people who were sentenced to death have been acquitted on appeal, had charges dismissed, or been pardoned based on evidence of innocence. 

By my count about 90 of them were black. 

Makes you wonder how many have actually been put to death who didn’t have the means or methods to prove themselves innocent 

This is why I think your being disingenuous about this whole thing, which actually comes as a surprise to me because I have always found you to be anything but that in all of your previous posts. 

[arch stanton]

16 minutes ago, Lou said:

 

This is why I think your being disingenuous about this whole thing, which actually comes as a surprise to me because I have always found you to be anything but that in all of your previous posts. 

I mentioned the blacks because the others brought it up. My point was that when that many death sentence convictions could be undone then how many more who were actually executed might also have been undone if the same resources were available. 

I asked MAGA about the black community grouping because I find it lazy to group that way 

[UndertheHalo]

8 hours ago, Lou said:

I would like to see the data on this.

Thanks

 

You’re welcome.

Edited March 9, 2018 by UndertheHalo

[Kevin]

2 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

This isn't just a black/white issue.  It's a wealth/non-wealth issue.  The discrepancy is too much to take someone's life.  It is the one punishment you can't fix.

Exactly. 

Watch Making a Murderer. Steven Avery went to jail for 18 years for a tape he didn't commit. He provided a time stamp receipt from a store 30 miles away from the scene while the crime was being committed plus had 16 people verify his whereabouts on that day and still went to jail for 18 years. 

 

Look how they police and his attorneys treated his nephew during the murder trial. 

There might be a bias in the documentary but I believe it represents the issues with our criminal justice system. 

[Tank]

anyone have any stats showing how many innocent people have been executed?

Edited March 8, 2018 by Tank

[Tank]

5 hours ago, arch stanton said:

It’s a damn shame if whether or not you get put to death for a murder you didn’t commit is dependent on the quality of your lawyer 

 

[RallyMo]

17 hours ago, Lou said:

I guess that's a clever response when you're wrong.

btw, Cal bball lost to Stanford. 

It's also a clever response when I'm right, which I am.

Also, of course Cal lost to Stanford. They're terrible. 

[Lou]

4 hours ago, RallyMo said:

It's also a clever response when I'm right, which I am.

Also, of course Cal lost to Stanford. They're terrible. 

Wrong. 

about being right, not that Cal is terrible. 

btw, we just beat Stanford, leading wire-to-wire. 

[Lou]

5 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

 

Your welcome.

Great. Exactly what I was looking for. Will check it out later. 

For the record, I don't doubt for one minute that what you stated is true. 

[RallyMo]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

Wrong. 

about being right, not that Cal is terrible. 

btw, we just beat Stanford, leading wire-to-wire. 

How in the world am I wrong? There's no way that we'll have across the board certainly on all cases. 

[InsideThePark]

1 hour ago, RallyMo said:

How in the world am I wrong? There's no way that we'll have across the board certainly on all cases. 

Yeah, I'm not sure what he's holding onto here. The only way Louf can believe you're wrong is if he didn't follow along and then stripped your quote from its context... perhaps unintentionally.

http://www.angelswin-forum.com/forums/topic/33793-death-penalty-or-lack-thereof-in-california/?tab=comments#comment-1094334

[Lou]

23 hours ago, RallyMo said:

How in the world am I wrong? There's no way that we'll have across the board certainly on all cases. 

You didn't say "on all cases" 

 

[Lou]

I'd be interested to hear the stats of the racial breakdown of the victims of those on death row. Particularly, do blacks get sentenced to death more often if the victim(s) is white? 

(I ask this with the understanding that particular case details influence the decision)

Edited March 10, 2018 by Lou

[RallyMo]

14 hours ago, Lou said:

You didn't say "on all cases" 

 

I don't really think that I needed to based on the conversation that we were  having in the thread. It's not as if I was the only person to express the sentiment. Also, there are obviously plenty of individual cases where there's absolute certainty.

[Lou]

10 hours ago, RallyMo said:

I don't really think that I needed to based on the conversation that we were  having in the thread. It's not as if I was the only person to express the sentiment. Also, there are obviously plenty of individual cases where there's absolute certainty.

Yes, you needed to say it.

Read the rules.