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Projecting the Angels 25-man roster


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Catcher - Maldy ReneRivera

1B - Valbuna Pujols Cron

2B - Kinsler

3B - Cozart

SS - Simmons

OF - Upton Trout Calhoun EY

SP - Ohtani Richards Skaggs Heaney Shoemaker

6th SP - Ramirez Tropeano  Bridwell 

BP - Parker Johnson Bedrosian Middleton Alvarez  Wood N.Ramirez 

 

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I would prefer a better 4th outfielder option and another reliable arm, whether that is a starter and we move Shoe or someone else to the pen or whether that is a bullpen arm, I don't really care.  We are $25 million under the cap.  For half that you should be able to fill those holes and still have some breathing room at the deadline.  

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My guess at an opening day 25-man...
Line-up (9): 2B Kinsler, CF Trout, LF Upton, DH Pujols, RF Calhoun, 3B Cozart, SS Simmons, 1B Valbuena, C Maldonado
Bench (4): C Rivera, IF Valbuena, IF Cowart, and a still to be acquired 4th OF
Rotation (5): Richards, Skaggs, Shoemaker, Ohtani, and a still to be acquired SP. 
Pen (7): Parker, Bedrosian, Wood, Johnson, JC Ramirez, and a still to be acquired RP or two or someone not on current roster, i.e. Krol.

I'm honestly expecting quite a few moves still...Cron going somewhere (perhaps for a RP or 4th OF), a 4th OF depth signing, a couple more RP ST invites, and a SP acquired either by trade, signing, or ST invite. There seems to be some indications Eppler is looking for quite a few needs still given recent news about Frazier, Young, and Odorizzi, our salary breathing room, and his comments on finding good value and being opportunistic. He's also shined at finding guys on the secondary market and that should be pretty busy in March.

I don't think the roster is anywhere close to looking like it will Opening Day.

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I think there will be a few surprises...

1. Luke Bard will make the team. Outstanding numbers in AA/AAA, the stuff to back it up and the team can't option him.

2. The Angels will lose CJ Cron for practically nothing because of the quality of 1B available and a roster crunch. 

3. Blake Wood does not make the team and Noe Ramirez does.

4. Not surprisingly, the Angels will lose Cowart, Carlos Perez, Jefry Marte....(all out of options I believe).

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7 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

@totdprods Bet the bank Middleton will be on the 25-man roster .

I’m not sure about Noe Ramirez ... kid showed composure on the mound and pitched well. 

I think we'll see a non-roster ST invite or two really kill this March like Parker, Norris, and Petit, and with Middleton's options, he'll go back to SLC to start the year and hone some things. He'll be up at first sign of pen trouble or if he struggles, he'll shuttle around in the 13th pitcher role with the 6th SP and long-reliever. 

I really dig Noe too but he's out of options and even if we don't add anyone he has to beat out quite a few folks. He needs to have a great spring, of which he's certainly capable. And if anyone gets hurt, both guys odds go way, way up.

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Just now, Scotty@AW said:

I think there will be a few surprises...

1. Luke Bard will make the team. Outstanding numbers in AA/AAA, the stuff to back it up and the team can't option him.
I think they'll swing a trade to keep him - maybe Cron or Perez?

2. The Angels will lose CJ Cron for practically nothing because of the quality of 1B available and a roster crunch. 
See above...

3. Blake Wood does not make the team and Noe Ramirez does.
Can see this happening. If Pena, Bard, and Diaz show well in ST as multi-inning options too, Wood becomes a lot less critical.

4. Not surprisingly, the Angels will lose Cowart, Carlos Perez, Jefry Marte....(all out of options I believe).
Cowart has an option or two I think still. 

 

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10 minutes ago, totdprods said:

 

I don't think Wood not making the team is reliant upon how Diaz and Pena pitch, though I do think they end up in AAA.

Blake Parker, Jim Johnson, Cam Bedrosian, Key Middleton and JC Ramirez (part rotation, part bullpen) are relative locks. That leaves two spots, one of which will go to a lefty (Alvarez or Krol). That would mean the final spot would be between Bard, Wood, Diaz, Pena and Paredes.

If Bard pitches the best, he'll get it, and I think he will.

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1 hour ago, totdprods said:

My guess at an opening day 25-man...
Line-up (9): 2B Kinsler, CF Trout, LF Upton, 1B Pujols, RF Calhoun, 3B Cozart, SS Simmons, DH Ohtani, C Maldonado
Bench (4): C Rivera, IF Valbuena, IF Cowart, and a still to be acquired 4th OF
Rotation (5): Richards, Skaggs, Shoemaker, Ohtani, and a still to be acquired SP. 
Pen (7): Parker, Bedrosian, Wood, Johnson, JC Ramirez, and a still to be acquired RP or two or someone not on current roster, i.e. Krol.

I'm honestly expecting quite a few moves still...Cron going somewhere (perhaps for a RP or 4th OF), a 4th OF depth signing, a couple more RP ST invites, and a SP acquired either by trade, signing, or ST invite. There seems to be some indications Eppler is looking for quite a few needs still given recent news about Frazier, Young, and Odorizzi, our salary breathing room, and his comments on finding good value and being opportunistic. He's also shined at finding guys on the secondary market and that should be pretty busy in March.

I don't think the roster is anywhere close to looking like it will Opening Day.

really down on Heaney...huh?

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4 hours ago, stormngt said:

really down on Heaney...huh?

I think we will still get another SP, and I think Heaney will be the regular #6 SP. 

I also imagine one guy will be hurt, ineffective, or bounced to pen pretty early in season and Heaney is up full time.

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7 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

I don't think Wood not making the team is reliant upon how Diaz and Pena pitch, though I do think they end up in AAA.

Blake Parker, Jim Johnson, Cam Bedrosian, Key Middleton and JC Ramirez (part rotation, part bullpen) are relative locks. That leaves two spots, one of which will go to a lefty (Alvarez or Krol). That would mean the final spot would be between Bard, Wood, Diaz, Pena and Paredes.

If Bard pitches the best, he'll get it, and I think he will.

I think if Pena and Diaz simply prove they can be reliable depth to shuttle between SLC and Anaheim, it just makes Wood's presence less vital since he's without options. He had signs there could be success last year and has a contract on his side, but I think they like that he could go multiple innings and if Bard, Pena, and Diaz show something similar they'll press him out solely because of roster flexibility with ther options. 

Our pen depth is super green right now, and a guy like Wood has some advantage because of his vet-ness. If the kids show something, he's an easy one to cut.

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2 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

Ohtani FTW ... it would be a major screwup if he’s not imo.

If they are indeed going with a six man rotation then I expect Ohtani to pitch on Sunday’s like he did in Japan.  Teams have more Mondays off than any other day, so that would give him a natural day off, and allow him to DH on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and possibly Friday.  Or they will have him DH Wednesday-Friday and give him two days off after a start.  

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1 hour ago, Stradling said:

If they are indeed going with a six man rotation then I expect Ohtani to pitch on Sunday’s like he did in Japan.  Teams have more Mondays off than any other day, so that would give him a natural day off, and allow him to DH on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and possibly Friday.  Or they will have him DH Wednesday-Friday and give him two days off after a start.  

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10 hours ago, Stradling said:

I would prefer a better 4th outfielder option and another reliable arm, whether that is a starter and we move Shoe or someone else to the pen or whether that is a bullpen arm, I don't really care.  We are $25 million under the cap.  For half that you should be able to fill those holes and still have some breathing room at the deadline.  

Was listening to MLBradio and they talked about Jon Jay in general, not with Halos.  They said Jay was obviously looking for a starting gig, but if he took a job as a 4th OF, he would likely only pick a contender. Anyways, he would be a really good bat off the bench with his .374 OBP last year and career .355 OBP.  But the problem is whoever the 4th OF is, will likely only start once a week.  So I doubt Jay would want that.  

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10 hours ago, totdprods said:

My guess at an opening day 25-man...
Line-up (9): 2B Kinsler, CF Trout, LF Upton, 1B Pujols, RF Calhoun, 3B Cozart, SS Simmons, DH Ohtani, C Maldonado
Bench (4): C Rivera, IF Valbuena, IF Cowart, and a still to be acquired 4th OF
Rotation (5): Richards, Skaggs, Shoemaker, Ohtani, and a still to be acquired SP. 
Pen (7): Parker, Bedrosian, Wood, Johnson, JC Ramirez, and a still to be acquired RP or two or someone not on current roster, i.e. Krol.

I'm honestly expecting quite a few moves still...Cron going somewhere (perhaps for a RP or 4th OF), a 4th OF depth signing, a couple more RP ST invites, and a SP acquired either by trade, signing, or ST invite. There seems to be some indications Eppler is looking for quite a few needs still given recent news about Frazier, Young, and Odorizzi, our salary breathing room, and his comments on finding good value and being opportunistic. He's also shined at finding guys on the secondary market and that should be pretty busy in March.

I don't think the roster is anywhere close to looking like it will Opening Day.

Counted Ohtani twice. He only takes up one spot. Add Heaney and you're close. EY starts the season as the 4th OF. 

I think it's:

Hitters (12): Trout, Calhoun, Upton, Pujols, Kinsler, Simmons, Cozart, Maldonado, Valbuena, Cowart, EY, Rivera.

Pitchers (12) Richards, Skaggs, Shoemaker, Heaney, Bridwell, Johnson, Bedrosian, Middleton, Parker, Bard, Alvarez, Ramirez

2-Way (1) Ohtani 

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It's hard for me to believe that Cron is gone just like that.  He's got three years of control that will cost around 12mil.  

Albert is on his way out.  Sure he might have a bit of a resurgence this year, but what are the odds he lasts more than 100 games at 1b.  

Valbuena is ok but certainly not a long term solution.   He'll make 8mil this year and has an 8.5m option with a 500k buyout.  So he's likely gone after this year.  

Thaiss is 22 years old and had a .395 slugging % at A+/AA.  So he likely start at AA with lots of questions about his projected power.   

A 1b replacement of similar production to Cron would cost 4-12 mil per season.  Probably pretty easy to find his level of production but for double the price.  Not a horrible proposition.  

But I just don't see us going down a path where we could potentially be replacing a 1bman every year for at least 3 years if Thaiss doesn't pan out.  

There's a decent chance I'm wrong, but I just think we'll keep him unless he's a tradeable piece for something useful.  

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12 hours ago, Hubs said:

Counted Ohtani twice. He only takes up one spot. Add Heaney and you're close. EY starts the season as the 4th OF. 

Good catch - I knew something felt off but I couldn't pin it. Heaney on the staff.

I still feel like we will break camp with another SP, 4th OF, and RP that isn't on the 40-man or in the org yet. There's just far too many available still on good value deals and it layers our depth.

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