The Memo

[Lhalo]

It has been released.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937?platform=hootsuite

[Lhalo]

"There it is. Take it."

https://www.scribd.com/document/370599316/Nunes-Memo?irgwc=1&content=27795&campaign=VigLink&ad_group=513607&keyword=ft500noi&source=impactradius&medium=affiliate#download&from_embed

[Jason]

The dems are acting like this is an attack on the FBI. Don't think it really is but those involved in this should be held accountable. 

[yvangelfan]

McCabe said no FISA warrant could have been issued without the dossier. The dossier was fake.

[yvangelfan]

The FBI also used Yahoo News articles in part to obtain FISA warrants.

[Make Angels Great Again]

16 minutes ago, yvangelfan said:

The FBI also used Yahoo News articles in part to obtain FISA warrants.

 

The Yahoo article was circular reporting.

The info in the article was said to corroborate the dossier, but in fact the author was getting info from Steele himself.

So, no corroboration.

[Make Angels Great Again]

FBI chose not to disclose to the FISA judge that they knew the political origins of the dossier.

[Jason]

Maybe this will lead to the FBI cleaning house and then go back to do what they should be doing. Right now this is just a huge distraction to their legitimate operations. 

[Lhalo]

I want to know what the procedure will be to rectify the situation. Somewhere out there is a FISA judge who was intentionally deceived into warranting surveillance on an American citizen. Will that judge tell these pricks to come back to court and explain their lies? When do the charges start being filed?

[Jason]

27 minutes ago, LHalo said:

I want to know what the procedure will be to rectify the situation. Somewhere out there is a FISA judge who was intentionally deceived into warranting surveillance on an American citizen. Will that judge tell these pricks to come back to court and explain their lies? When do the charges start being filed?

There has to be accountability. 

[yvangelfan]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Maybe this will lead to the FBI cleaning house and then go back to do what they should be doing. Right now this is just a huge distraction to their legitimate operations. 

Just A huge distraction?  They tried to frame a duly elected President.!

[yvangelfan]

53 minutes ago, LHalo said:

I want to know what the procedure will be to rectify the situation. Somewhere out there is a FISA judge who was intentionally deceived into warranting surveillance on an American citizen. Will that judge tell these pricks to come back to court and explain their lies? When do the charges start being filed?

Hopefully, the judge wasn't "in" on it.

[yvangelfan]

1 hour ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

The Yahoo article was circular reporting.

The info in the article was said to corroborate the dossier, but in fact the author was getting info from Steele himself.

So, no corroboration.

Where is Michael Isikoff?  No tweets, today that I can find.

[Make Angels Great Again]

I'm just waiting for Red and UTH to show up and tell us why this is actually a nothing burger.

[yvangelfan]

If George Bush had done this to Obama,  the FBI Headquarters would have been torched, and the inhabitants publicly hanged.

[red321]

I have to admit...this "memo" is even a bigger dud than anyone could have expected...and also scarier.

Why is it a dud?

It attempts to highlight that the FISA warrant process was abused, for someone that has been under investigation for ties to Russia for years. It's proof is thinly veiled cherry picking about to the dossier and states that it was the primary piece of evidence for granting of the warrant without providing any such evidence that is actually the case. It summarizes a statement by McCabe, without providing the actual comments from McCabe (and the Democrats have asked for his testimony to be released saying that they have incorrectly summarized McCabe's statement). I would expect if the do actually allow the release of the Democratic response you will see a much more detailed accounting of the entirety of the evidence used to get the warrants approved, and renewed.

It ignores other evidence or discussion of how and why the investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and the Russians began...except where it bites itself in the ass by mentioning Papadapolous and then specifically states the investigation began not because of the dossier, but because of Papadapolous and his statements. Putin is going to be mad...that is a rookie mistake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sentence-buried-in-gop-memo-may-undercut-trump-efforts-to-discredit-russia-probe/2018/02/02/4133ebe4-0846-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_probeorigin-320p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5b10978904e0

It confirms for the first time that the event that set the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation in motion was not the surveillance of Trump adviser Carter Page — a subject upon which most of the memo dwells — but rather that it was opened as the result of information the bureau had received about another person connected to the Trump campaign.

The memo also ignores that multiple judges approved the warrants and it was renewed multiple times. (see: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/house-intelligence-committee-releases-russia-memo-over-fbi-objections-n844026). Renewal requires additional evidence gathered during the previous warrant period...so it would appear that enough information was being gathered that the judge allowed the warrant to continue.

It also highlights how desperate Steele was to not see Trump elected...but doesn't provide any context into that statement. Why do they think that...and what was behind his desperation?...Evidence/information he had been gathering that was so shocking to him it led him to reach out to the FBI to make sure they were aware (which they already were...see Papadapolous)? The memo also ignores the fact that even if Steele was biased against Trump...there is no legal requirement to share biases. Hell, the nature of asking for a warrant is usually based on the idea that the target is doing something wrong.

I think it's a nice touch they name dropped Ohr, Clinton, Yates, and some others as well.

 

And why is this scary? This memo clearly isn't about abuses of the FISA process, because it provides no real evidence that this warrant shouldn't have been granted.

It's an obvious dud and attempted smoke screen to try and dump Rosenstein and declare the Mueller investigation a partisan witch hunt (hell, even Trump couldn't stop himself from trying to push that narrative via phone calls and twitter...he would have been less transparent if he sent out the voicemail instructing Nunes on what he wanted done).

There are a whole lot of people who know better who have decided to play along, understanding that the real purpose is to ratfuck the investigation, but deciding that their loyalty to Trump, tax cuts, and the Republican party is more important and they are willing to blow up the FBI, DOJ, and our legal system to protect Donald fucking Trump.

 

 

[Rico]

27 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

I'm just waiting for Red and UTH to show up and tell us why this is actually a nothing burger.

Will I do?  A few things to point out.

1. The conservative online news site The Washington Free Beacon originally funded the Steele dossier.

2. It was John McCain that hand delivered the dossier to the feds.

3. The reason the feds took the dossier so seriously was because there was corroboration from other sources.

4.  Carter Page did go to Russia and met with Russian agents.

[red321]

That's a lot of words...so here is a quick summary

[Make Angels Great Again]

9 minutes ago, red321 said:

I have to admit...this "memo" is even a bigger dud than anyone could have expected...and also scarier.

Why is it a dud?

It attempts to highlight that the FISA warrant process was abused, for someone that has been under investigation for ties to Russia for years. It's proof is thinly veiled cherry picking about to the dossier and states that it was the primary piece of evidence for granting of the warrant without providing any such evidence that is actually the case. It summarizes a statement by McCabe, without providing the actual comments from McCabe (and the Democrats have asked for his testimony to be released saying that they have incorrectly summarized McCabe's statement). I would expect if the do actually allow the release of the Democratic response you will see a much more detailed accounting of the entirety of the evidence used to get the warrants approved, and renewed.

It ignores other evidence or discussion of how and why the investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and the Russians began...except where it bites itself in the ass by mentioning Papadapolous and then specifically states the investigation began not because of the dossier, but because of Papadapolous and his statements. Putin is going to be mad...that is a rookie mistake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sentence-buried-in-gop-memo-may-undercut-trump-efforts-to-discredit-russia-probe/2018/02/02/4133ebe4-0846-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_probeorigin-320p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5b10978904e0

It confirms for the first time that the event that set the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation in motion was not the surveillance of Trump adviser Carter Page — a subject upon which most of the memo dwells — but rather that it was opened as the result of information the bureau had received about another person connected to the Trump campaign.

The memo also ignores that multiple judges approved the warrants and it was renewed multiple times. (see: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/house-intelligence-committee-releases-russia-memo-over-fbi-objections-n844026). Renewal requires additional evidence gathered during the previous warrant period...so it would appear that enough information was being gathered that the judge allowed the warrant to continue.

It also highlights how desperate Steele was to not see Trump elected...but doesn't provide any context into that statement. Why do they think that...and what was behind his desperation?...Evidence/information he had been gathering that was so shocking to him it led him to reach out to the FBI to make sure they were aware (which they already were...see Papadapolous)? The memo also ignores the fact that even if Steele was biased against Trump...there is no legal requirement to share biases. Hell, the nature of asking for a warrant is usually based on the idea that the target is doing something wrong.

I think it's a nice touch they name dropped Ohr, Clinton, Yates, and some others as well.

 

And why is this scary? This memo clearly isn't about abuses of the FISA process, because it provides no real evidence that this warrant shouldn't have been granted.

It's an obvious dud and attempted smoke screen to try and dump Rosenstein and declare the Mueller investigation a partisan witch hunt (hell, even Trump couldn't stop himself from trying to push that narrative via phone calls and twitter...he would have been less transparent if he sent out the voicemail instructing Nunes on what he wanted done).

There are a whole lot of people who know better who have decided to play along, understanding that the real purpose is to ratfuck the investigation, but deciding that their loyalty to Trump, tax cuts, and the Republican party is more important and they are willing to blow up the FBI, DOJ, and our legal system to protect Donald fucking Trump.

 

 

 

Boy that's some impressive spin.

All that needs to be said is that yesterday the Dems were talking about how it's "extremely damaging" and "compromises intel sources and methods" "harms national security", and now it's nothing, just a dud. So it shouldn't have been damaging at all then.

[red321]

[Lhalo]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

Will I do?  A few things to point out.

1. The conservative online news site The Washington Free Beacon originally funded the Steele dossier.

2. It was John McCain that hand delivered the dossier to the feds.

3. The reason the feds took the dossier so seriously was because there was corroboration from other sources.

4.  Carter Page did go to Russia and met with Russian agents.

John McStain can die in a fire. 

[red321]

1 minute ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Boy that's some impressive spin.

All that needs to be said is that yesterday the Dems were talking about how it's "extremely damaging" and "compromises intel sources and methods" "harms national security", and now it's nothing, just a dud. So it shouldn't have been damaging at all then.

It certainly is damaging...you have a House committee tasked with providing oversight on the President/Intelligence communities providing cover for the president in the attempt to obstruct an investigation.

We also did not see the source materials, though that doesn't mean people/countries with more expertise can't read between the lines or draw inferences based on the memo.

 

[mtangelsfan]

So hard libs see it as nothing and hard cons see it as everything.

 

It is shocking, absolutely shocking.

[Lhalo]

14 minutes ago, red321 said:

It certainly is damaging...you have a House committee tasked with providing oversight on the President/Intelligence communities providing cover for the president in the attempt to obstruct an investigation.

We also did not see the source materials, though that doesn't mean people/countries with more expertise can't read between the lines or draw inferences based on the memo.

You’re a good sailor Red. It’s honorable going down with the ship. 

[Rico]