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How Much Does Signing Ohtani Boost The Angels Farm Rankings?


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Q:If Shohei Ohtani signed with the team with the worst farm system in baseball, how much would he bump up their ranking all by himself?
Bryan Ramsey, Chicago

BA:Now that Ohtani has announced that he will sign with the Angels, we’ve tweaked this question for a second pass at it (we looked at what he would to for the Marlins in our first look). The Angels ranked 30th in our organizational talent rankings when the Prospect Handbook came out in 2017, 2016 and 2014. (A later trade moved the Marlins to 30th last year by the time we released the org talent rankings on the Internet).

Even without signing Ohtani, the Angels weren’t going to rank 30th this year. Drafting multi-faceted outfielder Jo Adell and solid seasons by promising young outfielders Jahmai Jones and Brandon Marsh would have given the Angels a system that ranked in the 20-25 range when the offseason began. That already would have been Los Angeles’ best ranking since 2013, when the Angels ranked 18th.

But since the offseason started, the Angels have signed ex-Braves shortstops Kevin Maitan and Livan Soto and now they have added Ohtani. Adding Maitan, who ranked among the Top 100 Prospects in the game last offseason, and Soto, a toolsy young shortstop, would have been significant additions in their own right. But they get pushed far into the background by the Angels winning the once-in-a-lifetime lottery of landing a potential front-of-the-rotation starter (and power hitter) at the acquisition cost of a middle-of-the-first round pick. And he will begin his career playing for the major league minimum. He won’t hit free agency until after the 2023 season at the earliest.

With these additions, the Angels now have a system that is firmly in the middle of the pack. A back-of-the-napkin estimate is that they will rank somewhere around right around 15th when our organization talent rankings are put into the 2018 Prospect Handbook. Ohtani by himself would help the club climb five to seven spots in the rankings. That’s how valuable someone who is the top prospect in the game can be to a farm system.

 

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Ohtani is a prospect till he loses his rookie of the year status.  He's also a prospect because we have yet to start his clock.  I can see how one wouldn't consider some of the older intl players that fall out of the current restrictions.  

does it matter one bit what it does to our farm system ranking?  nope because he'll cease being a prospect so fast.  

What that also mean is that our best prospect is ready to make significant contribution at the major league level.   Which is amazing.   My guess is that we extend him after the second year.  After the first would seem too obvious.  

two things.  

We're top 20 without Ohtani.  Don't care what the pundits think.  

How good would it look to have Vlad Jr on our list.  

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1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

Ohtani is a prospect till he loses his rookie of the year status.  He's also a prospect because we have yet to start his clock.  I can see how one wouldn't consider some of the older intl players that fall out of the current restrictions.  

does it matter one bit what it does to our farm system ranking?  nope because he'll cease being a prospect so fast.  

What that also mean is that our best prospect is ready to make significant contribution at the major league level.   Which is amazing.   My guess is that we extend him after the second year.  After the first would seem too obvious.  

two things.  

We're top 20 without Ohtani.  Don't care what the pundits think.  

How good would it look to have Vlad Jr on our list.  

That last sentence was like pulling off a scab and adding salt to the wound.

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4 hours ago, Throwman91 said:

The signing of Maitan and a few others on top of Ohtani moved us up to 15th, I recall that's where we are ranked currently.  The question is, where will we rank when Ohtani is officially off our farm system?

I think that was kind of answered. At the beginning of the offseason, around 20-25. Add Maitan and Soto, and the implication is around #20. Add Ohtani, #15ish.

But here's the thing: most of the talent is pooled at the lower levels, which means the farm rankings should improve over the next year or two, and even within season, without even adding any more players. If players develop as hoped, the farm could rank #10-15 by the end of 2018 - even with Ohtani graduated. 

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3 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Let's put it this way. According to MLB.com, Jahmai Jones is the #4 Angels prospect (after Ohtani, Maitan, and Adell). If Jahmai Jones is your 4th best prospect, you're in pretty damn good shape.

Yeah but they also have Marsh 7th, so their rankings are bunk.

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On 12/19/2017 at 9:04 PM, Dochalo said:

Ohtani is a prospect till he loses his rookie of the year status.  He's also a prospect because we have yet to start his clock.  I can see how one wouldn't consider some of the older intl players that fall out of the current restrictions.  

does it matter one bit what it does to our farm system ranking?  nope because he'll cease being a prospect so fast.  

What that also mean is that our best prospect is ready to make significant contribution at the major league level.   Which is amazing.   My guess is that we extend him after the second year.  After the first would seem too obvious.  

two things.  

We're top 20 without Ohtani.  Don't care what the pundits think.  

How good would it look to have Vlad Jr on our list.  

Had me feeling warm and fuzzy until that dagger at the end. Any day now I expect baldoquin to turn a corner though.

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Farm system rankings can be almost useless in the big picture.

You can be a second division major league team that never wins because you always trade away impact players for minor leaguers.  Great.  Stacked in the minors and you never win with the big club.

And then you can be a big market club that graduates talent and trades away prospects for impact players so that the big club wins, yet the farm would then rate low.

The farm system ranking in isolation compared to other teams doesn't mean nearly as much as me as just looking at tge big picture, which includes the current big club roster and the age and the number if years of control of those players.

Somebody should come up with a rating that includes minor league talent, current major league talent, age on the big league roster and years of contract control over this players.

That's what matters to me.

I would rather have zero prospects and a full lineup of stud 27 year olds in the bigs than have a team losing 95 games and lots of prospects.

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11 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Had me feeling warm and fuzzy until that dagger at the end. Any day now I expect baldoquin to turn a corner though.

Arggh - that's *two* daggers ...

Effin' DiPoto - that Baldoquin signing, plus his making the worst of the situation**,  was my first inkling that he was full of shit ... 

** once in the penalty, other clubs go crazy signing players - making the most of going into the penalty box -  the pain come the following year in restrictions on the bonus pool - so, for example, iirc, Red Sox signed a bunch more guys including Moncada when they went over their pool, and Yanks signed like 5 of the top 10 internationals 1 year - DiPoto signs Baldoquin, then stood pat, didn't do a damn thing.  Moron.  

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I think it’s ridiculous that Ohtani, who was basically a free agent, somehow strengthens our farm.  Does Cozart strengthen our farm?  It’s the same damn thing.  I personally would be a little disappointed if Ohtani is spending any time in the minors other than a rehab start here or there. 

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11 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

He's a rookie, how is that stupid? It is his first year in the league and nothing he's done up to this point has counted toward MLB.

I wonder if our guys that go over there guys like Thames or Fielder would have qualified for the rookie of the year over there.

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