Scioscia on protesting during the anthem

[Mark68]

5 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Wow, I missed that. What a joke of a penalty. 

I was watching the game and I missed it. I only saw it when they showed the replay and the announcers were all amazed at how bad a call it was. It was a third down play on the Bills' last touchdown drive, and they would have had to punt if not for the auto first down.

Look for the video, I'm sure it won't be hard to find. Both Miller and Taylor were laughing at the time.

[Chuck]

5 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

I was watching the game and I missed it. I only saw it when they showed the replay and the announcers were all amazed at how bad a call it was. It was a third down play on the Bills' last touchdown drive, and they would have had to punt if not for the auto first down.

Look for the video, I'm sure it won't be hard to find. Both Miller and Taylor were laughing at the time.

This deserves the "Woah, Keanu Reeves" emoticon. 

[Mark68]

30 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

This deserves the "Woah, Keanu Reeves" emoticon. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000851190/article/broncos-von-miller-i-killed-the-game-with-that-penalty?campaign=Twitter_atn

 

[jordan]

What needs to happen is that these athletes need to combine with the cops/community and work hard to educate people.  Athletes and cops have got to come together for things to change.  Kneeling during the anthem only incites anger and is a distasteful way to make their objective known. 

[TheHeathen]

29 minutes ago, Mickey said:

ANGELS BASEBALL MIKE BUTCHER AND JOE BLANTON DISRESPECTFUL DURING NATIONAL ANTHEM !! 001 

This guy filming is such a hypocrite. 

[TheHeathen]

I can't count how many times I've seen people straight up digging in their ass while the anthem is being played. Hand on their heart, finger up their ass crack. These same mouth breathers are the ones burning their NFL jerseys.

[VariousCrap]

We don't have to agree with the what, why or how a person chooses to protest something.  We just have to recognize that we live in a country that allows that person to do so.

Would I choose to protest the way they are doing?  No.  Do I support their right to do it?  Yes.

[Chuck]

9 minutes ago, TheHeathen said:

This guy filming is such a hypocrite. 

True.

Honestly Blanton disrespected all of us fans with his performances on the field.

[GrittyVeterans]

2 hours ago, Mark68 said:

In my opinion, Kaerpernick being blackballed is akin to the blackballing of suspected Communists during the McCarthy era. You can't honestly say that every starting and backup QB in the NFL is better than a guy who took his team to a Super Bowl just a few years ago.

Owners have the right to sign whoever they want

If you don't want the negative publicity and baggage a player comes with, you do not have to sign him, and you are not a racist because of that.

Kaepernick should have known this is a business and consequences like his money are at stake.

He has the right to protest but the owners have the right to not give him a job. 

The only players that can protest without having to worry about losing their jobs are the true superstars in the league, which Kaepernick is not. Kaepernick is a mediocre player who every team can survive without. Put that on top of the baggage he comes with and I don't really blame teams for not wanting him

[VariousCrap]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

True.

Honestly Blanton disrespected all of us fans with his performances on the field.

 

Truer words have never been posted here.

[TheHeathen]

2 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Do you have a problem with this.?https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrT6V7_aclZ_zgAckgPxQt.?p=dodger+saves+burning+flag&fr=yhs-visicom-weathernow&fr2=piv-web&hspart=visicom&hsimp=yhs-weathernow&type=9654875_US_us#id=3&vid=29ddf697a55743bfd22330adbfc73c65&action=view

Broken link. Edit: worked the second time.

 

No, I have no problem with it. Rick Monday is not a government official.

[fan_since79]

2 hours ago, Mark68 said:

In my opinion, Kaerpernick being blackballed is akin to the blackballing of suspected Communists during the McCarthy era. You can't honestly say that every starting and backup QB in the NFL is better than a guy who took his team to a Super Bowl just a few years ago.

That was before opposing teams figured him out and he failed to adjust. Now he's just a lousy quarterback with a political ax to grind. Teams (rightly) don't want all the baggage he brings. They're in the business of winning football games, not putting on a political demonstration every Sunday.

Edited September 25, 2017 by fan_since79

[totdprods]

49 minutes ago, jordan111280 said:

What needs to happen is that these athletes need to combine with the cops/community and work hard to educate people.  Athletes and cops have got to come together for things to change.  Kneeling during the anthem only incites anger and is a distasteful way to make their objective known. 

No, it doesn't. 

It incites anger in some people, and it brings hope to others. Others still have zero feeling whatsoever. All reactions are appropriate and entitled to that opinion. 

[Schildog]

2 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

That was before opposing teams figured him out and he failed to adjust. Now he's just a lousy quarterback with a political ax to grind.

16 td vs 4 ints in 2016 with a 90.7 rating. 

so balls to your post.

 

[GrittyVeterans]

Kaepernick is better than a lot of the backup QBs out there, there is no denying that. But he's not better than a whole lot of starters, and do you really want the media tornado he brings with him all for an upgrade at a position that ideally never plays any snaps (backup QB)? The answer is no

[jordan]

5 minutes ago, totdprods said:

No, it doesn't. 

It incites anger in some people, and it brings hope to others. Others still have zero feeling whatsoever. All reactions are appropriate and entitled to that opinion. 

Yes, but my main point is that people have to come together in order for change to happen.  Kneeling tends to be more divisive than healing, and we need healing. 

[TheHeathen]

Just now, jordan111280 said:

Yes, but my main point is that people have to come together in order for change to happen.  Kneeling tends to be more divisive than healing, and we need healing. 

We need liberty and justice for all.

[TheHeathen]

10 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

That was before opposing teams figured him out and he failed to adjust. Now he's just a lousy quarterback with a political ax to grind. Teams (rightly) don't want all the baggage he brings. They're in the business of winning football games, not putting on a political demonstration every Sunday.

This comment says more about you than it does about Kaepernick.

[Blarg]

2 minutes ago, TheHeathen said:

We need liberty and justice for all.

You only get the choice of one of the two.

[Mark68]

5 minutes ago, jordan111280 said:

Yes, but my main point is that people have to come together in order for change to happen.  Kneeling tends to be more divisive than healing, and we need healing. 

Calling players SOBs for kneeling during the anthem tends to be more divisive than healing. Guaranteed it was more divisive than Kaepernick's kneeling.

[totdprods]

8 minutes ago, jordan111280 said:

Yes, but my main point is that people have to come together in order for change to happen.  Kneeling tends to be more divisive than healing, and we need healing. 

Not kneeling hasn't done anything at this point either. 

It's divisive, yes. A little dramatic? Perhaps. Disrespectful to some? Absolutely. It's intended to draw a reaction, positive or negative, but that's as far as it's intended to go. 

It's supposed to bring attention and cause others to think about what that action is bringing awareness to and how to solve it. It's not meant to be a resolution. It's not meant to be the end of the conversation. It's meant to be the beginning of one. It's an icebreaker. It's up to those witnessing to decide if they want to continue that conversation and be a part of a resolution, or if they want to dismiss it and tap out being a part of the process that works to find an answer. And that goes both ways - dismissing it as disrespect or blindly supporting it without furthering the conversation are both responses that do nothing to find a solution.

[jordan]

3 minutes ago, Mark68 said:

Calling players SOBs out for kneeling during the anthem tends to be more divisive than healing. Guaranteed it was more divisive than Kaepernick's kneeling.

I said nothing of what Trump said.  I agree it was also very divisive and not at all healing.

[jordan]

6 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Not kneeling hasn't done anything at this point either. 

It's divisive, yes. A little dramatic? Perhaps. Disrespectful to some? Absolutely. It's intended to draw a reaction, positive or negative, but that's as far as it's intended to go. 

It's supposed to bring attention and cause others to think about what that action is bringing awareness to and how to solve it. It's not meant to be a resolution. It's not meant to be the end of the conversation. It's meant to be the beginning of one. It's an icebreaker. It's up to those witnessing to decide if they want to continue that conversation and be a part of a resolution, or if they want to dismiss it and tap out of finding an answer. And that goes both ways - dismissing it as disrespect or blindly supporting it without furthering the conversation are both responses that do nothing to find a solution.

Totally agree.  It's gone on over a year now, and it's time to figure out step 2, which in my opinion goes to what I originally said...athletes and cops and let's include politicians (gulp), into the mix of coming together to educate people on different cultures, the struggles people face, etc.  There has to be a peaceful step 2, and the angrier people get on both sides, that won't happen. 

[fan_since79]

Whatever happened to just playing a football game and entertaining the fans?

Why does every Sunday have to be full of political statements and controversy?

 

[TheHeathen]

5 minutes ago, jordan111280 said:

Totally agree.  It's gone on over a year now, and it's time to figure out step 2, which in my opinion goes to what I originally said...athletes and cops and let's include politicians (gulp), into the mix of coming together to educate people on different cultures, the struggles people face, etc.  There has to be a peaceful step 2, and the angrier people get on both sides, that won't happen. 

The next step is for the thin blue line to become a stigma instead of a badge of honor. Acknowledgment and accountability.