Takeout "slides" at homeplate

[angelduck]

Should taking out the catcher be banned in your opinion?

 

My opinion: yes, it should be banned, no reason to have careers be potentially ruined. Thank God Buster healed...I would've been really butthurt about that (Big Posey fan rite here)

[Lifetime]

no

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

Of course not. 

[angelduck]

So you guys are fine with having careers be potentially ruined by scumbags like Pete Rose? That's pretty ****ed up. Cost the Giants the 2011 season

[Richard]

No

 

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w_id=428496&w=2005/open/topplays/archive06/060605_anaatl_erstad_collision_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2005/06/06/anamlb-atlmlb-1&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp350&v=2

[gotbeer]

Yes.  Simply on the liability issue.  Look at football and the mess they are in with concussions.  Even though everyone knows that it's part of the game/inevitable in the game.  

 

Sure it's part of the game.  But we've seen hockey and football really address needless collisions.  Especially in Hockey.  And it hasn't taken away from the game at all.  

[angelduck]

I remember that. It was a cheap move by Erstad. I'm sure looking back on it he feels like a real piece of shit. Estrada was never the same (don't even think he played another MLB game after that)

[HuntingtonMike]

Can't ban it because catchers block the base path. If a catcher doesn't want to get hit then don't block the path to the plate. I do think a player should be ejected or fined if he purposely is trying to hurt the catcher with a malicious hit.

[mancini79]

If the catcher chooses to block the plate, then the runner has no other choice but to collide with him. But if the catcher sets up for a sweep tag, then a collision should be banned.

[angelduck]

If the catcher chooses to block the plate, then the runner has no other choice but to collide with him. But if the catcher sets up for a sweep tag, then a collision should be banned.

 

 

Can't ban it because catchers block the base path. If a catcher doesn't want to get hit then don't block the path to the plate. I do think a player should be ejected or fined if he purposely is trying to hurt the catcher with a malicious hit.

 

I can buy these arguments. If a catcher is blocking the plate to the point that the base runner can't get around in a reasonable amount of time then he should be able to run him over. But if he's in a position where the runner can get to the plate by simply sliding feet first, then it should be a 5 game suspension without pay IMO if he runs him over.

[Richard]

What happened to Posey was such a freak play. Catchers frequently cover the plate on throws home to take away slides and risk having guys running through them. I remember when Vlad slid around a catcher and separated his shoulder. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Looking at the play (video), it appears that the catcher was set up for a sweep tag. He was to the side of the plate and Erstad went for the catcher.

[gotbeer]

If the catcher chooses to block the plate, then the runner has no other choice but to collide with him. But if the catcher sets up for a sweep tag, then a collision should be banned.

 

 

You could really say that about blocking any base though.  IMO, just ban blocking any base.  This should also then come with banning collisions.  

 

Also, takeout slides should be modified also.  Just like the basepads, you shouldn't be allowed to get out of a foot of either side of the bag.  None of this 5 foot roll outs.

[angelduck]

Looking at the play (video), it appears that the catcher was set up for a sweep tag. He was to the side of the plate and Erstad went for the catcher.

 

It was a clear dirty play by Erstad IMO

[OregonLAA]

No. Let's not pussify the sport anymore than it is. I can't stand that they give quick warnings to teams now. I miss brawls

[Richard]

You could really say that about blocking any base though.  IMO, just ban blocking any base.  This should also then come with banning collisions.  

 

Also, takeout slides should be modified also.  Just like the basepads, you shouldn't be allowed to get out of a foot of either side of the bag.  None of this 5 foot roll outs.

 

This is what they tell little league to stand in front and not to cover the line or plate. Sometimes it's a bang-bang thing like a throw up the line or a catcher turning to tag a guy coming in at full speed.

[Lifetime]

not true about Estrada's career after the collision

[angelduck]

not true about Estrada's career after the collision

 

After some research...I was wrong on that one. But one has to wonder if that hit might have ended his career sooner than it had to end. May have had some lingering affect on him.

[sneaky_flute]

catchers technically aren't supposed to block the plate if they don't have the ball. mlb should start enforcing the rules.

[Vernster52]

While we're at it, let's adopt all the little league rules.

 

No head first slide, pitch counts, etc.

[Lou]

no

[Lou]

So you guys are fine with having careers be potentially ruined by scumbags like Pete Rose? That's pretty ****ed up. Cost the Giants the 2011 season

 

Pete Rose cost the Giants the 2011 season?

[ELEVEN]

Just change over to T ball rules. Eliminate pitchers and their salaries in the process. Bud Selig should be all over this.

[ELEVEN]

Double post. How do I delete DPs in mobile?

[CaliAngel]

You can't ban it, but that doesn't make it any easier to watch. 

 

You've got a 200 pound person running at full speed towards a person who's standing still and vulnerable to being blindsided.

 

People can keep saying it's part of the game, but it just doesn't seem right.