The Official 2017-2018 Anaheim Ducks Thread

[gotbeer]

Grats to the Penguins.  Brutal way for the goal to be called off for the Preds. 

Now for some Trade Porn.  Key dates coming up.

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The 30 NHL Clubs must submit their Protection List by 5:00 P.M. ET on Saturday, June 17, 2017. The Las Vegas team must submit their Expansion Draft Selections by 5:00 P.M. ET on June 20 and the announcement of their selections will be released on made on June 21. 

 

Edited June 12, 2017 by gotbeer

[Tank]

Pens played great, especially with all the injuries. Well deserved win.

Pitt sports history: steelers (6 super bowls), pirates (5 WS), and now the Pens (5 Cups). That's pretty darn good.

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, gotbeer said:

Grats to the Penguins.  Brutal way for the goal to be called off for the Preds. 

Now for some Trade Porn.  Key dates coming up.

 

in game 1 and game 6.

i thought they had it in them to finish the run as it's just about the same story the almost 30 years i've been playing/watching.

press actually looked the better team almost all series. that's why i was the only one here that thought they would win and sure as shit knew they wouldn't get swept like everyone was saying.

good series even though the pred fans were assholes throwing shit on the ice and being idiots (see deadpan for the drunk asshole yelling at the post game peeps.

[gotbeer]

Today at 2pm is the deadline for players to waive their NMC's for the draft.  Bieska, I'm looking at you.

[gotbeer]

Strap In: The Offseason Is Here

Thoughts on this rumor?  Too much, too little, too long? 

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Cam Fowler is under contract with Anaheim for one more season at a cap hit of $4 million. Elliot Friedman of Sportsnet believes that the Ducks will extend him once the free agency period begins. His prediction for price and term? 8 years at $6.5 million per year, making Fowler the Ducks highest-paid defenseman.

If true, this would take Fowler till 33.  IMO, $6.5 million isn't bad at all.  8 years though may be a bit long.  Hopefully there is not a no-trade/movement clause. 

[gotbeer]

From the above article.  Some interesting information to be taken at word of mouth, rumor.

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Season ticket holder meeting today. Calm down kids, the old man here has got the info you need straight from the GM’s remarkably candid mouth.

First off, expansion draft. Everyone in our group was more freaked out about it than Murray. He laughed at all of the speculation that Anaheim was going to lose a significant player. Names thrown out were Manson, Silfverberg, Cogliano. His direct statement was"Hell no! If we lose any of those guys for nothing, I would expect the Samueli’s to fire me." He would not say anything regarding Bieksa’s contract situation (BUT he did comment on others) so I took that as a somewhat confirmation that he’ll waive his NMC so the Ducks can protect Manson. Murray said Vegas is going to skew young and McFee will take any garbage contract to get to the cap floor BUT he wants draft picks, and lots of them, just not this year. NEXT year. I get the feeling Murray will deal his first rounder for next year in order for Vegas to take Stoner or Despres.

Second, Fowler is all but signed. The only stickler is that Cam want’s a ridiculously low salary during the lockout year and Murray doesn’t want to give it to him. similar to what Hampus negotiated into his deal but to a much worse extent for the Ducks. He said Cam wants something like $500,000 that year, which was refreshingly bizarre coming out of Murray, Anyway, he said it’ll be figured out shortly and Cam will be a long term Duck soon.

Third, and longest segment, the injury front. Corey Perry played the majority of the year with a severly sprained MCL that was ready to tear at any time. He tried playing with a brace but it didn’t help the pain and "it made an already mediocre skater even worse." Direct quote from Murray that drew the biggest laugh of the day. He won’t need surgery. Hopefully he’ll get back to being Corey Perry next year if this is the case. Linholm’s and Vatanen’s surgery went well and Hampus is already working out. Sami’s was a lot worse and he’ll possibly miss half the season. Kesler’s hip was bothering him and the pain never subsided so he had an MRI. The next day he was scoped and three bone fragments were removed from his hip. The last one bothered me the most. It was regarding Gibson and Murray said it was indeed another groin strain. My brother asked why this was a recurring problem and Murray’s response was, "Gibson is still a young guy and he doesn’t feel he needs to do the work necessary to be able to play the way he wants to play. He just wants to strap on the pads and go play and you can’t just do that at the NHL level. We hope that what happened to the team in game six will be a stark reminder of what needs to be done to play in the NHL and that he will learn from that result." That scared the CRAP out of me! The Ducks don’t have another goalie in the system. If they can’t get Gibson to start taking his starter position seriously, they’re screwed.

Finally, a bunch of little things. When someone asked him about Vatanen Murray spoke in the past tense about him. Freudian slip that he’s all but gone? The Ducks LOVE Sam Steel but aren’t going to rush him. He will play all of next year in San Diego. They also like Max Jones’ game but he needs to do a LOT of growing up. He’ll probably be in San Diego for a while. Murray is scared to death of how good Jacob Larsson might be next year. He’s been working out with Hampus this year and if there wasn’t the glut of D-men he would probably make the team next year. Murray wants Larsson to play next year in San Diego but if he makes a better impression during camp next year, something will be done to make room for him. Murray also said, "Unfortunately, Randy loves him." That brought another laugh. Finally, no more NMC contracts from the Ducks, the only thing they’ll agree to is a limited MNC where the player gives them a list. Also, no more big bonus years, "The Samueli’s yelled at me for having to pay Perry $10 million this year. See, it’s not just the players and coaches who get yelled at."

That’s about it. I must say I really enjoyed talking with Bob Murray this year. Usually he treats these things like he’s going to the dentist. I put it down to a really good season ticket drive. There weren’t a lot of seats to choose from and we were the first group in. I imagine by the end of the evening they might be close to sold out.

Posted by Kiekenapp on Jun 12, 2017 | 3:02 PM

 

[gotbeer]

 

 

Rumor is, Vegas is looking at a more traditional draft and are willing to take on contracts.  They are looking for picks, and not just from this year.  The Ducks have no first rounds, but 2 seconds.  I'm wondering if it's a Depres and one of our seconds, and next years second or even first.  Could even be Depres and Stoner.  This would give us a lot of room to make moves.

[gotbeer]

Ducks, agent mum on Bieksa waiving no-movement clause (Updated)

We made some kind of deal.  Will be interesting to see who we give up.  But my guess is, we keep intact our main guys, including Manson and Vatanen.  Losing one of those would really defeat the purpose of a handshake deal, since the Magnetos wouldn't hesitate to select one of them if they were available. 

[gotbeer]

Of course could it be?

Cogliano: No extension talks with Ducks, expansion draft ‘could be weird’

Cogs and a second.  Or Cogs and Depres and a second and second? 

[nate]

I mean in order for VGK to make a deal means that they are getting something they want from us otherwise they would just pick during the exp draft.

It has to either be a draft pick or someone like Theo.

Will be interesting to see what the cap impact of whatever deal is.  Ducks need a couple top 6 forwards.

[nate]

Just now, gotbeer said:

Of course could it be?

Cogliano: No extension talks with Ducks, expansion draft ‘could be weird’

Cogs and a second.  Or Cogs and Depres and a second and second? 

Big mistake losing a member of the Ducks most productive line IMO.  Cogliano is cheap too.

[gotbeer]

20 minutes ago, nate said:

Big mistake losing a member of the Ducks most productive line IMO.  Cogliano is cheap too.

$3 million and a UFA after this season.  I just thought his comment was strange. 

My money is on Despres though. 

I'm also wondering if they are going to take a run at Bernier.  And trade the better goalies that may be available for picks.

[nate]

3 million is not much and it is not like he would ask for more.

[HaloCory22]

Kase is a younger, and better Cogs. Totally okay with Cogs going.

[nate]

Kase was a giant mess defensively, they are nowhere near the same player.

Cogs is faster and also the best defensive winger on the team.  Only other defensive winger on the team on his level is Silf.  The rest suck in comparison.

Edited June 13, 2017 by nate

[HaloCory22]

You're really underrating Kase, Nate. He's got some great work ethic. He's pretty fast, can stick handle, and is decent defensively but especially on the fore check.

[UndertheHalo]

Haha I'm an idiot.  Just discovered this thread.

[nate]

37 minutes ago, HaloCory22 said:

You're really underrating Kase, Nate. He's got some great work ethic. He's pretty fast, can stick handle, and is decent defensively but especially on the fore check.

Maybe some day, but the biggest reason he got benched during the season is because he was a mess defensively and took stupid penalties.  You are replacing your best defensive winger with one of the worst.

[gotbeer]

Now going more into hypotheticals.  Say the trade with Vegas is Despres or Cogs and a 2nd rounder.  Something in that nature.

Do you still trade Vatanen?

[Pujols4MVP]

14 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

Now going more into hypotheticals.  Say the trade with Vegas is Despres or Cogs and a 2nd rounder.  Something in that nature.

Do you still trade Vatanen?

Yes. Maybe Colorado is still willing to take Vatanen + pick for Duchene since it would help colorado Tank this year while Vatanen recovers & have an asset to trade later.

I'd say given Perry/Getzlaf/Kesler age they should go all in, add future picks to Duchene deal as Vatanen.

[Pujols4MVP]

19 hours ago, gotbeer said:

From the above article.  Some interesting information to be taken at word of mouth, rumor.

 

This increases the chances of Perry having a good season by about 200%, probably the best news that he was playing hurt all year long as it means he should be back to career norms.

[ADHB]

That article is 100 percent fabrication. I was in the first group on Sunday and none of those things were said.

[gotbeer]

4 minutes ago, Scioscia4MVP said:

Yes. Maybe Colorado is still willing to take Vatanen + pick for Duchene since it would help colorado Tank this year while Vatanen recovers & have an asset to trade later.

I'd say given Perry/Getzlaf/Kesler age they should go all in, add future picks to Duchene deal as Vatanen.

That's what I'm thinking too.  Either them, or Tampa and Drouin.  Upside for Drouin is, he's still only 22 and a RFA.  Duchene is 26 and 2 years from FA'cy. 

[nate]

I would rather they trade Theo than Vatanen personally.

When Vatanen was out it was pretty noticeable on the PP and he is a good skater out of the D zone.  His contract isn't the greatest though so I would not be surprised if he is traded.  I just worry about losing too much defensive depth.

[gotbeer]

With Fowler's extension imminent.  I doubt there is anything with this. 

Penguins Target Matt Duchene. JVR> Fowler Gains Momentum. Bonino

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On Fowler for JVR and a "very serious draft pick/prospect.":

I keep hearing both sides have explored other areas, but this one keeps popping up.
 

Oh, and if the Penguins get Duchene.  Fuck.