Which manager will manage his team back to contention?

[joeywings]

Joe Maddon or Mike Sciosia ?

[SoCALkid]

I wish we could get Maddon back but even he couldn't save this team. Sosh already sunk the ship.

[jshep]

Maddon and the Rays. Easy call.

 

Whether it's Scioscia or anyone else managing(and I do think it's about time for Scioscia to go), this is a bad team.

[fan_since79]

Don Baylor.

[Troll Daddy]

Mickey Hatcher

[joeywings]

This team has the Earl Weaver offense with two many midgets.

[joeywings]

Makes you wonder if Sciosia won the world series or Madden/Black did.

[Jason]

Dumping Scioscia isn't going to help IMO. With that said I'm not opposed to a change either as sometimes that can help any failing organization.

[Inside Pitch]

Joe Maddon or Mike Sciosia ?

 

 

The one with a pitching staff that can make it's own outs and isn't a threat to give up a HR every other inning.

[bloodbrother]

Dumping Scioscia would just be a part of it. This team has more holes to fix. Dipoto could be looking at being on the hotseat after this as well because this team he constructed this year got WORSE. Not exactly what you want to see out of your GM

[Mark68]

One team is 14-16, 5.5 GB.

 

The other is 11-20, 9 GB.

 

Which one do YOU think has a better shot?

[Inside Pitch]

One team is 14-16, 5.5 GB.

 

The other is 11-20, 9 GB.

 

Which one do YOU think has a better shot?

 

 

TB is in the same position the Angels were last year.  Their pitching staff was supposed to be the strength of their team and instead it's been awful.  Much like the Angels their team has thrived on run prevention and strong defense -- it's no shocker to see them struggling the way they are.  Maddon like Scioscia can't magically erase bad pitching performances.

 

TB can keep Maddon.... Imagine how much better the Angels would be right now if they had Moore and Alex Cobb

[Mark68]

TB is in the same position the Angels were last year.  Their pitching staff was supposed to be the strength of their team and instead it's been awful.  Much like the Angels their team has thrived on run prevention and strong defense -- it's no shocker to see them struggling the way they are.  Maddon like Scioscia can't magically erase bad pitching performances.

 

TB can keep Maddon.... Imagine how much better the Angels would be right now if they had Moore and Alex Cobb

They got good pitching for two of the three games in Coors Field.

 

The point remains, though, that Maddon's team is certainly a lot closer to competing than Scioscia's. Just based on games behind, record, and the fact that the top teams in their division aren't exactly playing their best baseball right now (BOS got swept in TEX and NYY lost 2 of 3 at home to OAK).

[joeywings]

Madden does not have Angels' payroll either.

[Inside Pitch]

They got good pitching for two of the three games in Coors Field.

 

 

Try looking at the bigger picture..  TB's team ERA ranks 12th in the AL, the Angels are 13th.    That staff hasn't come close to being what they were expecting, regardless of the current three game series.  

 

Their bullpen has been even uglier than ours despite pitching 40 less innings.

[Ohtaniland]

The USS SCIOSCIA is sinking like the Titanic. No one could save it.

[Troll Daddy]

Madden does not have Angels' payroll either.

 

Your right but he does have better players.

[Mark68]

Try looking at the bigger picture..  TB's team ERA ranks 12th in the AL, the Angels are 13th.    That staff hasn't come close to being what they were expecting, regardless of the current three game series.  

 

Their bullpen has been even uglier than ours despite pitching 40 less innings.

But it's certainly OK to ignore the math...the one team is 3 1/2 games closer to the lead with teams above them that aren't playing as well as they were earlier. Just the simple math would tell you that the Rays have a better shot than the Angels.

[Inside Pitch]

But it's certainly OK to ignore the math...the one team is 3 1/2 games closer to the lead with teams above them that aren't playing as well as they were earlier. Just the simple math would tell you that the Rays have a better shot than the Angels.

 

You missed it, I already argued the Rays are the better bet to contend.  You're arguing an imaginary foe. 

 

I then responded to your post by comparing the Rays situation this year to that of the Angels last year, when the pitching failed to live up to what was advertised.  It was a completely separate thought.

 

I've not ignored any math, I've just simply been able to follow along.

[Inside Pitch]

Madden does not have Angels' payroll either.

 

 

So then the argument is Friedman vs Dipoto?   Well, you know who the Angel's first choice was right?

 

He wouldn't have ignored the pitching two years in a row.

[Marsaka]

So then the argument is Friedman vs Dipoto?   Well, you know who the Angel's first choice was right?

 

He wouldn't have ignored the pitching two years in a row.

 

His first year here, Dipoto signed Pujols & CJ, our staff the year before was one of the best in the league and with CJ expected to be better, he also traded for Greinke.  How is that ignoring the pitching?

 

This year that idiot moreno decided to put all his eggs in one basket and that was hamilton.  Dipoto had little money left to work with and traded for low cost starting pitching and added some bullpen pieces.  What did you want him to do trade for Verlander, kershaw, and price?  We couldn't afford Edwin Jackson or Anibal Sanchez, each got huge deals way out of our price range.

 

Stop blaming Dipoto, Arte is the idiot behind the failures of this organization the last few years.