Calolfornia

[Kotchman]

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

Yeah, and their children should pay for the sins of their parents. It's biblical.

I was speaking for the adults. I really don’t have a problem feeding kids. 

[UndertheHalo]

18 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Adam Smith said, "There's no such thing as a free lunch."

So no, it's not "free" because someone has to pay for it. But seriously; of all the things to pay taxes for, isn't feeding children like the one thing even the most conservative libertarian would be okay with? 

The other option is to redisribute wealth more aggressively so that food insecurity is a thing of the past. But that's socialism.

People really have a shitty grasp on Adam smith even, like everything else people are too lazy to read even a single book on.  Nothing about conservative American politics today would make any sense to Adam Smith. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[UndertheHalo]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

As a conservative, I’m fine with good meal programs for kids at school. Many kids have really shitty dickhead parents that don’t feed them. They have no control over that. They also do better in school when they eat well. As far as money towards education, I don’t know what the hell they waste most of it on

Sir.  Your membership at the federalist society has been revoked and you are now persona non grata.  Fucking commie. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Who said they were against the free meals? All I mentioned was a bigger menu of free meals.  Some of you manage to suck the fun out of coming here and trying to have a discussion  

[Kotchman]

5 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Who said they were against the free meals? All I mentioned was a bigger menu of free meals.  Some of you manage to suck the fun out of coming here and trying to have a discussion  

That ain’t the only thing they’ll suck

[Jay]

5 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Who said they were against the free meals? All I mentioned was a bigger menu of free meals.  Some of you manage to suck the fun out of coming here and trying to have a discussion  

Definitely, once you start providing government-funded meals you have to accommodate the dietary requirements of all the various ethnic groups. Next thing you know the meals will cost $25 each.

At least when people have to pay, they have the option of either buying a meal or not.

 

[JarsOfClay]

20 minutes ago, Kotchman said:

The best option involves people getting off their ass and working for their food. This another area libs don’t use the shame game to call out deadbeat parents. 

My mom was one of those deadbeats. She came to this country with no education, no money, no husband, but worked her ass off in a hair salon for 14 hours a day to give us food and an apartment. And the free school lunches really helped her get by when she literally had nothing. 

[Kotchman]

1 minute ago, JarsOfClay said:

My mom was one of those deadbeats. She came to this country with no education, no money, no husband, but worked her ass off in a hair salon for 14 hours a day to give us food and an apartment. And the free school lunches really helped her get by when she literally had nothing. 

Nothing wrong with that. That’s pretty honorable. If she passed her work ethic on to you and you’re now self sufficient that’s even better. I have no problem feeding kids but way too often welfare has become a repetitive way of life for deadbeats.  

[Kotchman]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

Definitely, once you start providing government-funded meals you have to accommodate the dietary requirements of all the various ethnic groups. Next thing you know the meals will cost $25 each.

At least when people have to pay, they have the option of either buying a meal or not.

 

This is true. We can probably feed them more effectively at local levels. Any federal lunch will be full of payoffs and waste. 

[Taylor]

10 minutes ago, Kotchman said:

Nothing wrong with that. That’s pretty honorable. If she passed her work ethic on to you and you’re now self sufficient that’s even better. I have no problem feeding kids but way too often welfare has become a repetitive way of life for deadbeats.  

Or maybe, the deadbeats are the exception and people like JarsofClay's mom are the rule.

But I do like how you are faithful to Jesus' teaching in Luke 6:20: "Cursed are you who are poor, for you are the scum of the Earth."

Also in Matthew, when he picked up the child and said, "See that you despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their parents at home are lazy deadbeats, and they should learn the hard way that handouts are for sissy commies."

And most importantly, his teaching in Matthew 25:34-36:

"Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you told me I probably deserve it, I was thirsty and you voted to cut funding for the government program that was helping me, I was a stranger and you called me a rapist and murderer, I was naked and you called me a slut then went online and pleasured yourself to videos featuring me, I was sick and you told me to get a job if I want healthcare, I was in prison and you branded me a criminal for life."

 

[Taylor]

36 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

People really have a shitty grasp on Adam smith even, like everything else people are too lazy to read even a single book on.  Nothing about conservative American politics today would make any sense to Adam Smith. 

Adam Smith, just like Martin Luther King Jr., would be a true red Republican if he were alive today.

[UndertheHalo]

6 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Adam Smith, just like Martin Luther King Jr., would be a true red Republican if he were alive today.

The extremely selective use of like 2 sentences of like a 25 paragraph MLK speech is a classic move. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[Taylor]

7 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

The extremely selective use of like 2 sentences of like a 25 paragraph MLK speech is a classic move.

I remember MLK quoting Ayn Rand from Birmingham Jail.

[UndertheHalo]

15 minutes ago, Taylor said:

I remember MLK quoting Ayn Rand from Birmingham Jail.

The best thing about ayn rand is that the demented bitch died on public assistance.  Currently burning in hell i’d like to think. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by UndertheHalo

[Kotchman]

13 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Or maybe, the deadbeats are the exception and people like JarsofClay's mom are the rule.

But I do like how you are faithful to Jesus' teaching in Luke 6:20: "Cursed are you who are poor, for you are the scum of the Earth."

Also in Matthew, when he picked up the child and said, "See that you despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their parents at home are lazy deadbeats, and they should learn the hard way that handouts are for sissy commies."

And most importantly, his teaching in Matthew 25:34-36:

"Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you told me I probably deserve it, I was thirsty and you voted to cut funding for the government program that was helping me, I was a stranger and you called me a rapist and murderer, I was naked and you called me a slut then went online and pleasured yourself to videos featuring me, I was sick and you told me to get a job if I want healthcare, I was in prison and you branded me a criminal for life."

 

Again you know the Bible teaches that a man should work and his hunger will provide incentive to work. As much as you want Jesus to be a Democratic Socialist he was not. In fact socialism was formed with the very idea to replace God with government. I do give and have sympathy for anyone who is truly trying to achieve and recover. People who can work and don’t are stealing from those who do work. The government rewarding lack of work by over taxing workers is also stealing. 
 

My family grew up in a poor southern area during the Great Depression. My younger brother was the first to graduate college. None of us had a free ticket to college. My grandparents and dad worked in the Broyhill plants right beside there blacks. My dad dropped me off at daycare at 5am every morning on a rusted out Chevy luv. Mom worked full time and went to school full time. Paid her own damn way. He worked every overtime hour available and we cut wood in the winter to heat the house  .  Maybe once every month we might eat at Burger King but we didn’t eat out often. I’ve worn jeans with patches and clothes from yard sales. I was 13 before we moved into a low middle class income. Now dad moved up got into chemical sales and mom started teaching so we moved into the middle class.  
I started as a damn private in the military and I’ll probably make twice your pay  this year. Im not special I’m just willing to work and look at the opportunity this country provides vs play the victim  You’re the son of a fairly decent writer and likely had your way paid to Pepperdine  I don’t think I’ll let you lecture me about poverty an unfortunate circumstances 

 

[Taylor]

9 minutes ago, Kotchman said:

Again you know the Bible teaches that a man should work and his hunger will provide incentive to work. As much as you want Jesus to be a Democratic Socialist he was not. In fact socialism was formed with the very idea to replace God with government. I do give and have sympathy for anyone who is truly trying to achieve and recover. People who can work and don’t are stealing from those who do work. The government rewarding lack of work by over taxing workers is also stealing. 
 

My family grew up in a poor southern area during the Great Depression. My younger brother was the first to graduate college. None of us had a free ticket to college. My grandparents and dad worked in the Broyhill plants right beside there blacks. My dad dropped me off at daycare at 5am every morning on a rusted out Chevy luv. Mom worked full time and went to school full time. Paid her own damn way. He worked every overtime hour available and we cut wood in the winter to heat the house  .  Maybe once every month we might eat at Burger King but we didn’t eat out often. I’ve worn jeans with patches and clothes from yard sales. I was 13 before we moved into a low middle class income. Now dad moved up got into chemical sales and mom started teaching so we moved into the middle class.  
I started as a damn private in the military and I’ll probably make twice your pay  this year. Im not special I’m just willing to work and look at the opportunity this country provides vs play the victim  You’re the son of a fairly decent writer and likely had your way paid to Pepperdine  I don’t think I’ll let you lecture me about poverty an unfortunate circumstances 

 

Thanks for sharing your story. 

Nobody would lecture you if you didn't resort to stereotypes and assumptions about people groups. 

I'd also posit that things are different today than they were for your grandparents, your parents, and even for you when you were younger. 

Hard work is an important value. It doesn't also equate to monetary success. 

As for my own story, I've said many times that my own skills and drive account for just a sliver of what I've been able to achieve. Everything else was due to a combination of luck and the generosity of others, as well some of God's grace. I'm not entitled to anything I have, and I hope to use what I've been given to help give a voice to those who are less fortunate than I am.

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Thanks for sharing your story. 

Nobody would lecture you if you didn't resort to stereotypes and assumptions about people groups. 

I'd also posit that things are different today than they were for your grandparents, your parents, and even for you when you were younger. 

Hard work is an important value. It doesn't also equate to monetary success. 

As for my own story, I've said many times that my own skills and drive account for just a sliver of what I've been able to achieve. Everything else was due to a combination of luck and the generosity of others, as well some of God's grace. I'm not entitled to anything I have, and I hope to use what I've been given to help give a voice to those who are less fortunate than I am.

I don’t know why you indulge his bullshit.  He doesn’t know shit about you. 

[Kotchman]

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Thanks for sharing your story. 

Nobody would lecture you if you didn't resort to stereotypes and assumptions about people groups. 

I'd also posit that things are different today than they were for your grandparents, your parents, and even for you when you were younger. 

Hard work is an important value. It doesn't also equate to monetary success. 

As for my own story, I've said many times that my own skills and drive account for just a sliver of what I've been able to achieve. Everything else was due to a combination of luck and the generosity of others, as well some of God's grace. I'm not entitled to anything I have, and I hope to use what I've been given to help give a voice to those who are less fortunate than I am.

Honestly you aren’t different than most libs in that regard. Quick to lecture others but really lack the life experience to fully understand a lot of things. I doubt you spent a lot of time at the MLK center growing up. I doubt you have had a lot of black neighbors and friends. I’ve lived and worked among blacks for most of my life. I have a lot of black friends and racism does exists. Racism isn’t the root cause of black poverty. If you truly want to help black people you need to tell them the truth. America isn’t rigged against them. Their abandonment of family and faith has destroyed their communities.  This article below is from the times back when they would print some truth occasionally. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/18/us/income-gap-between-races-wide-as-in-1960-study-finds.html

[Kotchman]

7 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I don’t know why you indulge his bullshit.  He doesn’t know shit about you. 

Shalom

[arch stanton]

40 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Thanks for sharing your story. 

Nobody would lecture you if you didn't resort to stereotypes and assumptions about people groups. 

 

If he did this he'd have nothing to say

[Jason]

9 hours ago, JarsOfClay said:

My mom was one of those deadbeats. She came to this country with no education, no money, no husband, but worked her ass off in a hair salon for 14 hours a day to give us food and an apartment. And the free school lunches really helped her get by when she literally had nothing. 

That doesn’t describe a dead beat at all. There is a difference between people who have very little and a dead beat 

[Kotchman]

8 hours ago, cals said:

Let me simplify things for you: KC has lived a tough life and doesn’t complain about anything, but he expects he can share his opinions based on fucking living life without fear of judgment, ridicule or being called my alt.  You guys treat him like he’s some dipshit redneck but he’s got more “school of hard knocks” life experience than any one of us here.

I’ve always been able to see this and supported him because of it and most of you, even friends accused him of being my redneck alter ego.  Those that concede he’s a real person mock him.

Frankly I’ll continue to give more weight to his opinions than Taylor’s or any of his ilk. I’m sorry if growing up in Coto De Caza and having a library of lefty books isn’t a substitute for me for the opinions of a man who has actually lived a bit of life.

The reality is a lot of people had it worse than me. We lived in a small house on a dirt road just outside the trailer park. All these people preaching white privilege should see some of the situations these white kids are born into. Many kids didn’t  have shoes but their moms and live in  bfs were always fully stocked with beer and smokes. The same problems are killing  the black community but people make excuses for them.
 

 

[Kotchman]

8 hours ago, cals said:

Let me simplify things for you: KC has lived a tough life and doesn’t complain about anything, but he expects he can share his opinions based on fucking living life without fear of judgment, ridicule or being called my alt.  You guys treat him like he’s some dipshit redneck but he’s got more “school of hard knocks” life experience than any one of us here.

I’ve always been able to see this and supported him because of it and most of you, even friends accused him of being my redneck alter ego.  Those that concede he’s a real person mock him.

Frankly I’ll continue to give more weight to his opinions than Taylor’s or any of his ilk. I’m sorry if growing up in Coto De Caza and having a library of lefty books isn’t a substitute for me for the opinions of a man who has actually lived a bit of life.

I wish some of these people would actually go witness poor America. I know you’ve seen it in the courtrooms. These wokesters really have no idea of the human scum that exists of all races. They keep blaming average White working Americans for these scumbags and it’s created Irrational super MAGAs. Now I do have sympathy for the kids and welcome opportunities to help these kids. The reality is this problem can only be fixed by changing the culture of poor communities.  Throwing money and woke affirmative action plans won’t fix it. 

[Adam]

2 minutes ago, Kotchman said:

I wish some of these people would actually go witness poor America. I know you’ve seen it in the courtrooms. These wokesters really have no idea of the human scum that exists of all races. They keep blaming average White working Americans for these scumbags and it’s created Irrational super MAGAs. Now I do have sympathy for the kids and welcome opportunities to help these kids. The reality is this problem can only be fixed by changing the culture of poor communities.  Throwing money and woke affirmative action plans won’t fix it. 

The whites who have never had a real intimate friendship with a black person who grew up in poverty are really easy to spot

[Kevin]

9 hours ago, cals said:

Let me simplify things for you: KC has lived a tough life and doesn’t complain about anything, but he expects he can share his opinions based on fucking living life without fear of judgment, ridicule or being called my alt.  You guys treat him like he’s some dipshit redneck but he’s got more “school of hard knocks” life experience than any one of us here.

I’ve always been able to see this and supported him because of it and most of you, even friends accused him of being my redneck alter ego.  Those that concede he’s a real person mock him.

Frankly I’ll continue to give more weight to his opinions than Taylor’s or any of his ilk. I’m sorry if growing up in Coto De Caza and having a library of lefty books isn’t a substitute for me for the opinions of a man who has actually lived a bit of life.