Gavin Newsom to propose universal health care for Californians

[Jason]

17 hours ago, Adam said:

This won't go anywhere. Still years and years away.

I like your optimism but the Democrats can do whatever they want with no resistance. 

[Adam]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

I like your optimism but the Democrats can do whatever they want with no resistance. 

They're bought as easily as anyone else. I'm sure the various health provider unions and insurance companies and will figure out how to make them happy.

[AngelsLongBall]

1 hour ago, Adam said:

They're bought as easily as anyone else. I'm sure the various health provider unions and insurance companies and will figure out how to make them happy.

vs the Nurses Union

[fan_since79]

The Assembly shelved the plan this week. It's basically dead.

They figured out there's no mechanism to pay for it. The scary thing is, they might present it to the voters as a ballot measure. The same voters who approved the (now $68 billion) train.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/california-assembly-leader-shelves-single-payer-health-plan-48247878

[gotbeer]

15 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

The Assembly shelved the plan this week. It's basically dead.

They figured out there's no mechanism to pay for it. The scary thing is, they might present it to the voters as a ballot measure. The same voters who approved the (now $68 billion) train.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/california-assembly-leader-shelves-single-payer-health-plan-48247878

And they will pass it, because the Dems told them to vote for it.  Only afterwards will they complain at California's 150% tax rate, and blame Trump.

BTW.  California's budget for 2017-2018 is $183.4 billion.  So to fund an additional $400 billion, we'd have to raise taxes what, around 200%?

[Jay]

Even if they slapped a 10% payroll tax on everybody I don't think that would get it done. Can you imagine a 10% payroll tax for health insurance? Ouch.

 

[Jay]

http://www.sco.ca.gov/state_finances_101_state_taxes.html

 

[fan_since79]

A good chunk of that $400 billion will be for funding illegal immigrants. They want to cover everyone in the state, legal and otherwise. So the illegals who work for cash under the table will not have to pay a penny towards their health care, but will get a beautiful policy regardless.

I love the "no co-pays, no deductibles" aspect of the plan. Everything is FREE!

Fantasyland.

 

Edited June 25, 2017 by fan_since79

[AngelsLakersFan]

10 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

A good chunk of that $400 billion will be for funding illegal immigrants. They want to cover everyone in the state, legal and otherwise. So the illegals who work for cash under the table will not have to pay a penny towards their health care, but will get a beautiful policy regardless.

I love the "no co-pays, no deductibles" aspect of the plan. Everything is FREE!

Fantasyland.

 

I heard in the next version of the bill they are actually going to pay people to visit the doctor.

[Tank]

4 hours ago, calscuf said:

I don't know for sure, but I suspect most Mexicans here illegally still have taxes deducted.

wouldn't that depend on who is paying them and how they're being paid? 

[ABC]

20 hours ago, calscuf said:

I don't know for sure, but I suspect most Mexicans here illegally still have taxes deducted.

Not what I heard on www.fwdfwdfwd-realnews.com. And illegals do not pay sales tax in the store or taxes on gas. 

 

[ABC]

At what point do we tell fat people to eat a salad and go for a walk? Everyone needs medical attention in their life because we aren't immortal but unless we all get on the same page with regards to lifestyle I don't see how universal healthcare can be equitable in the US. 

Broken ankle from going for a morning jog. Covered.

Diabetes after a dozen warnings from doc to shape up. Not covered?

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

38 minutes ago, #CF8 said:

At what point do we tell fat people to eat a salad and go for a walk? Everyone needs medical attention in their life because we aren't immortal but unless we all get on the same page with regards to lifestyle I don't see how universal healthcare can be equitable in the US. 

Broken ankle from going for a morning jog. Covered.

Diabetes after a dozen warnings from doc to shape up. Not covered?

It's a catch 22.  You can't force people to live a healthier lifestyle but collectively we get stuck paying for people's poor choices.  Kind of like how you can't tell people not to procreate yet taxpayers end up footing the bill for kids people have that they can't afford.  The moment you try to tell people to live healthier or stop having kids you'll be a social pariah in today's overly PC culture and for a politician it would be a death sentence.  

[ABC]

I used to be a supporter of universal healthcare but we have too many cultures in the US, even in just California, for it to make sense. You need a homogenous society that has the same goals. In that society, you can make socialist programs work.

At what point do parents get their hands slapped for fat kids? If you don't feed them or don't send them to school there are repercussions. 

[Adam]

Just raise minimum wage to keep up with the extra taxes!

 

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/27/seattles-minimum-wage-is-harming-low-wag

[ABC]

soda tax

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-says-yes-to-soda-tax/

[Thomas]

30oz milkshakes somewhat disguised as coffee drinks are still okay though, right?

[Jay]

36 minutes ago, #CF8 said:

soda tax

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-says-yes-to-soda-tax/

Some council members favored including diet soda, which is more popular with wealthier white consumers. That was one recommendation made after the city put the plan through a racial-equity analysis. 

[ABC]

Shouldn't whites be happy that BLM cares so much about us that they want to cut down on our sugar bombs from starbucks?