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Both Republicans and Democrats have failed to address the exponentially rising costs of health care and prescription drugs.

That to me is the real problem here, and nobody has confronted it.

A friend of mine is receiving chemotherapy four days a week, and each treatment would cost him $36,000 without insurance. He pays just a few dollars. They have to recoup the rest of it by raising premiums on everyone.

An MRI machine costs around $250,000 and can pay for itself after just a few weeks at approx. $2,500 per MRI. But these machines continue to work for years and they continue to charge the same. Why so expensive?

The Hepatitis C drug costs $84,000 for a single course of treatment. Really?!

A lot of things are wrong here, and the plans don't even begin to address the problem.

 

 

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1 hour ago, cezero said:

just got a flurry of texts from my mom. she's 76, and a widow. totally freaking out over how much her premiums are likely to go up. and she's further right than anybody i've seen on this board. would've voted palin for pres. 

 

I don't believe Medicare will be affected. Everyone pays the same monthly premium for Part B, and it's around $120. Part A (hospital) is free. What your Mom might be thinking of is Part C, which are the optional Medicare Advantage plans. But there are many options and the freedom to choose how much coverage one wants and needs.

 

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1 minute ago, cezero said:

The ACA certainly was a start, and getting universal medicaid is the end goal for actual liberals, which addresses all of that. 

I remain skeptical that when the government subsidizes our health care, the costs will go down.

Costs tend to go up when government controls and guarantees everything.

I do admit that I don't understand all the parameters of this. I'm open to any reasonable arguments for single payer leading to lower costs. It hasn't worked for Medicare, whose costs are infinitely higher than estimated by the Johnson administration even adjusting for inflation.

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49 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Watching the libs in this thread rallying together right now is pretty funny.

Share with us your favorite elements of the Republicans' new health care proposal World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017.

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4 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Share with us your favorite elements of the Repblicans' new health care proposal.

 

It won't fix a thing. Maybe removing the state lines restriction will help lower cost, but that's about it I think.

If you want lower priced healthcare you need to go all the way in one direction or the other (either single payer or total free market) while at the same time dealing with the issues of being charged $200 for a Tylenol and Hospitals spending $100 on a pack of staples.

Politicians need to stop pussy footing around and find their balls. Either way a lot of people are gonna be pissed off.

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1 minute ago, Jay said:

Agree that Republicans had plenty of time to work on this, they should have had a replacement plan ready.

It takes a really long time to put together the World's Greatest Healthcare Plan. Rome wasn't built in 7 years.

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18 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

Paul Ryan always seems like a man in an awful hurry, and that's not good when you're dealing with something as complicated as health insurance.

 

The problem with politicians in general is that none of them act with long term interests in mind.  They rushed to pass ACA and now they're rushing to "replace" it while they should be looking at what's working and building on that.  Deficit spending has become a way of life for the last 3+ decades while they continue to screw over future generations by using future dollars for current votes.  We could go on all day but 99% of the time they say/do whatever they need to toe the party line and get re-elected at the expense of others.  

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I think they just want a quick victory and something to stick it to Obama.

If I were Ryan, I would have done the tax cuts first. George W. Bush got his tax cuts passed at the beginning of March in 2001. The Reagan cuts were also negotiated quickly in 1981. The key word, "negotiated". Reagan and Tip O'Neill worked out a bipartisan deal. Imagine that, both sides working together. Reagan got most of what he wanted, but certainly not all. The Republicans today seem to want to ram this thing through no matter what. I don't think a single Democrat has come forward to say they support this.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

It won't fix a thing. Maybe removing the state lines restriction will help lower cost, but that's about it I think.

If you want lower priced healthcare you need to go all the way in one direction or the other (either single payer or total free market) while at the same time dealing with the issues of being charged $200 for a Tylenol and Hospitals spending $100 on a pack of staples.

Politicians need to stop pussy footing around and find their balls. Either way a lot of people are gonna be pissed off.

There's a boner for Bernie that won't go away hidden deep in the bowels of this post.

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Okay, I guess there's some procedural reason why they had to hold off on the tax cuts and address the health care first, so ignore my post above.

Whenever I try to understand the Congressional budget process, my brain freezes.

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1 hour ago, fan_since79 said:

Both Republicans and Democrats have failed to address the exponentially rising costs of health care and prescription drugs.

That to me is the real problem here, and nobody has confronted it.

A friend of mine is receiving chemotherapy four days a week, and each treatment would cost him $36,000 without insurance. He pays just a few dollars. They have to recoup the rest of it by raising premiums on everyone.

An MRI machine costs around $250,000 and can pay for itself after just a few weeks at approx. $2,500 per MRI. But these machines continue to work for years and they continue to charge the same. Why so expensive?

The Hepatitis C drug costs $84,000 for a single course of treatment. Really?!

A lot of things are wrong here, and the plans don't even begin to address the problem.

 

 

Bernie had a plan.

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1 hour ago, fan_since79 said:

This, and similar images, are showing up on my angelswin pages.

Please make it stop.

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Ad retargeting. You'll want to stop searching for that term, or turn off ad tracking

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2 things.  I really want Cez to tell his mom he fucked a black guy, just to hear her reaction.  Second, if you want a MRI and are paying out of pocket, offer the place $250.  Maybe the first place will say no, but someone will say yes.

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Is there anyone here that actually thinks that Trumpcare is going to be better and cheaper than what we currently have?

Is there anyone here that actually thinks that Trumpcare premiums won't ever go up?

Is there anyone here that actually thinks that Trumpcare will cover more people not fewer?

Who here really thinks their Trumpcare policies will offer the same or more coverage for less? 

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14 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

This, and similar images, are showing up on my angelswin pages.

Please make it stop.

8314831739272429215

 

You think that's bothersome? Check out this absolutely DISGUSTING ad from Dish that I just witnessed:

 

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I'm not even in the market for one, let alone two, fixed price or not.

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