Current halos and where they were drafted (or signed)

[Docwaukee]

C - Martin Maldonado LAA - 27th, 2004

1b - CJ Cron LAA - 1st (17th), 2011

2b - Danny Espinosa WAS - 3rd, 2008.  Ranked as high as #66 on BA top 100 pre 2011

3b - Yunel Escobar ATL - 2nd, 2005

SS - Andrelton Simmons ATL - 2nd, 2010.  #65 on mlb 2012

LF - Cameron Maybin DET - 1st (10th), 2005, #6 BA 2007

CF - Mike Trout LAA - 1st (25th), 2009, #2 BA and BP 2011

RF - Kole Calhoun LAA - 8th, 2010

DH - Albert Pujols STL - 13th, 1999, #42 BA 2001

 

SP - Garrett Richards LAA - 1st (42nd), 2009, #67 mlb

SP - Matt Shoemaker LAA - Ud, 2008

SP - Tyler Skaggs LAA - 1st (40th), 2009 #10 mlb 2013

SP - Rickey Nolasco CHC - 4th, 2001

SP - Jesse Chavez TEX - 42nd, 2002

 

RP - Huston Street OAK - 1st (40th), 2004, #97 BA 2005

RP - Cam Bedrosian LAA - 1st (29th), 2010

RP - Andrew Bailey OAK - 6th, 2006

RP - Deolis Guerra NYM - IFA, 2005, #35 BA 2008

RP - Mike Morin LAA - 13th, 2012

RP - Jose Alvarez BOS - IFA, 2005

RP - JC Ramirez SEA - IFA, 2005

 

C - Carlos Perez TOR - IFA 2008

3b/OF - Jefry Marte NYM - IFA, 2007, #94 BP 2009

Util - Cliff Pennington OAK - 1st (21st), 2005, #83 BA 2006

OF - Ben Revere MIN, 1st (28th), 2007, #36 BP 2009

 

Others on the 40 man

SP - Alex Meyer WAS - 1st (23rd), 2011, #14 BP 2015

SP - Vicente Campos SEA - IFA, 2009

SP - Andrew Heaney MIA - 1st (9th), #25 mlb 2015

RP - Greg Mahle LAA - 15th, 2014

RP - Keynan Middleton LAA - 3rd, 2013

RP - Eduardo Paredes LAA - IFA, 2012

RP - Blake Parker CHC - 16th, 2006

RP/SP - Brook Pounders PIT - 2nd, 2009

SP - Nate Smith LAA - 8th, 2013

SP - Nick Tropeano HOU - 5th, 2011

SP - Daniel Wright CIN - 10th, 2013

RP - Kirby Yates TBR - AFA, 2009 (drafted in 2005 but didn't sign)

 

3b - Kaleb Cowart LAA - 1st (18th), #42 by BP 2013

Util - Nolan Fontana HOU - 2nd, 2012

OF - Ryan LaMarre CIN - 2nd, 2010

 

Others not on the 40 man

C - Tony Sanchez PIT - 1st (4th), 2009, #46 BA 2011

C/1b - Francisco Arcia NYY - IFA 2007

1b/OF - Ji Man Choi SEA - IFA, 2010

SS/2b/LF - Matt Williams STL - 15th, 2011

OF - Ramon Flores NYY - IFA, 2009

OF - Luis Tejada SDP - IFA 2010

 

SP - Manny Banuelos NYY - IFA, 2008, #13 mlb 2012

SP - John Lamb KCR - 5th, 2008, #11 BP 2011

RP - Justin Miller TEX - 16th, 2008

RP - Cody Ege TEX - 15th, 2013

RP - Abel De Lost Santos TEX - IFA, 2010

RP - Drew Gagnon MIL - 3rd, 2011

 

[Angelsjunky]

Wow, that's a lot of 1st round draft picks. I wonder if that is the case with all or most clubs. If so, it indicates that 1st round draft picks will, in general and one way or another, find a path to the majors.

[Blarg]

Eppler's has done a hell of a job corraling once well regarded players that now have to reclaim their previous talent ranking. Even if only a couple make it, that is more than what the Angels minor leagues will provide without these additions.

[ettin]

I imagine other teams have a similar amount I would think. This is why having a 1st round pick is so important because they are more likely to stick in the Majors in some form or capacity. There is a much higher bust rate outside of the 1st round.

[WeatherWonk]

A fair amount of players drafted by Billy Beane, too.

[Docwaukee]

5 hours ago, ettin said:

I imagine other teams have a similar amount I would think. This is why having a 1st round pick is so important because they are more likely to stick in the Majors in some form or capacity. There is a much higher bust rate outside of the 1st round.

It seems to me that half of the major leaguers the draft produces at any given time are from the first round.  the other half are players from the 2nd round and beyond.  And it seems that about 1/3rd of all major league players are foreign born.  So overall it 1/3rd from the first round, 1/3rd foreign, and 1/3rd from the 2nd round and beyond.  

And of course the odds substantially decrease with each round.  

First rounders have about a 40% chance of sticking for 3yrs or more.  1st supplemental 16%.  2nd 16%. 3-5 10%.  6-10 7%.  11-20 3.6%.  21+ 1.6%

The international playing field has be leveled considerably.  That is going to have a huge impact.  If you were never going to spend the high end dollars for certain foreign players, then you were't going to use your resources to scout them.  Now teams will pour more resources into scouting and take away the advantage of the top spending teams.  

You draft where you draft in round 1.  So some teams just aren't going to have access to about 25% of the future major league talent pool.  (probably more).  

To me, it's all about finding those players in the 2nd - 10th rounds.  Which represent 33% of the drafted players who make the majors for at least 3 years and therefore about 20% of all major leaguers.  Yet the odds of getting a player at pick 100 that will have a 10 WAR career is around 5% and WAR > 30 of 1.5%.  

Teams have been looking for ways to be better at finding those impact players in round 2-10 for years and no one seems any better than anyone else.  I think it's because it takes too long to find out if your methods actually work with any level of consistency.  And by the time you find out, certain parts of the game have evolved and the reasons you thought were working end up being something different.  

[ettin]

5 hours ago, Dochalo said:

It seems to me that half of the major leaguers the draft produces at any given time are from the first round.  the other half are players from the 2nd round and beyond.  And it seems that about 1/3rd of all major league players are foreign born.  So overall it 1/3rd from the first round, 1/3rd foreign, and 1/3rd from the 2nd round and beyond.  

And of course the odds substantially decrease with each round.  

First rounders have about a 40% chance of sticking for 3yrs or more.  1st supplemental 16%.  2nd 16%. 3-5 10%.  6-10 7%.  11-20 3.6%.  21+ 1.6%

The international playing field has be leveled considerably.  That is going to have a huge impact.  If you were never going to spend the high end dollars for certain foreign players, then you were't going to use your resources to scout them.  Now teams will pour more resources into scouting and take away the advantage of the top spending teams.  

You draft where you draft in round 1.  So some teams just aren't going to have access to about 25% of the future major league talent pool.  (probably more).  

To me, it's all about finding those players in the 2nd - 10th rounds.  Which represent 33% of the drafted players who make the majors for at least 3 years and therefore about 20% of all major leaguers.  Yet the odds of getting a player at pick 100 that will have a 10 WAR career is around 5% and WAR > 30 of 1.5%.  

Teams have been looking for ways to be better at finding those impact players in round 2-10 for years and no one seems any better than anyone else.  I think it's because it takes too long to find out if your methods actually work with any level of consistency.  And by the time you find out, certain parts of the game have evolved and the reasons you thought were working end up being something different.  

Spot on, particularly that last paragraph.

[ELEVEN]

Has this Org ever had 2 players (Skaggs, Maldonado)on its 25 man roster that were traded or released and then came back?

I dont think I have seen that here before.

[totdprods]

3 hours ago, ELEVEN said:

Has this Org ever had 2 players (Skaggs, Maldonado)on its 25 man roster that were traded or released and then came back?

I dont think I have seen that here before.

At a quick glance, the '97 Angels had Jack Howell and Tony Phillips both on the team on their second stints. Thought I'd find something more recent with Callaspo but nothing jumped out. Bryan Harvey, Mike Fetters, and Fabregas both had separate stints with the Angels too so there may be another pair between those guys.

[Second Base]

I think this may be a bit of a make-or-break year in terms of Eppler's current philosophy.

I mean take one look at the team and it's clear he prioritized defense, big fastballs and buy-low potential. If it works out, you're going to see a lot of GM's mimicking the Angels approach because it's a cost effective way of building a winner.

If it doesn't work out, then I think Eppler's going to have to change to plan B, whatever that is.

Theres some evidence to suggest there's something to his roster constructing, like Jeffry Marte, Andrelton Simmons, Ramirez and Guerra. But at the same time, Nava-Gentry blew up in our face. 

I think the jury will be out on Campos, Maybin, Revere, Banuelos, Lamb...

[totdprods]

25 minutes ago, Scotty@AW said:

I think this may be a bit of a make-or-break year in terms of Eppler's current philosophy.

I mean take one look at the team and it's clear he prioritized defense, big fastballs and buy-low potential. If it works out, you're going to see a lot of GM's mimicking the Angels approach because it's a cost effective way of building a winner.

If it doesn't work out, then I think Eppler's going to have to change to plan B, whatever that is.

Theres some evidence to suggest there's something to his roster constructing, like Jeffry Marte, Andrelton Simmons, Ramirez and Guerra. But at the same time, Nava-Gentry blew up in our face. 

I think the jury will be out on Campos, Maybin, Revere, Banuelos, Lamb...

Perhaps that is the real reason why he has put so much emphasis on vets with one year remaining and held off any commitments. Could be he realizes this and is just biding his time to see what direction he needs to go in. 

That's why I think we're going to have a very interesting season. I think there is going to be a major sense of urgency to come out of the gate hot and stay ahead in the division, because, on paper, this team is still very likely an average team. Meaning, if we're even just a few games back midseason, you have to wonder if that's as good as it's going to get, because there isn't much on the farm in terms of reinforcements, nor a lot to buy with at the deadline.

I think if these one-year vets aren't working, they'll get cut or benched fairly quickly. If a good trade offer comes in for a vet, and there's a reasonable 'prospect' - be it Marte or Banuelos - pushing for a job, you could see him deal away from the club early on. 

And I think there's an even further 'nuclear' option where scenarios involving Calhoun, Shoemaker, Skaggs, Richards, Cron, Bedrosian, Simmons wind up being dangled too. 

In theory, you could probably get a pretty decent haul for all of our impending FAs and one of our big trade centerpiece names, and go into the '18 offseason with ample money to spend, a good core still in place, and a farm far more restocked.