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5 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Holy shit we are one step away from people posting tweets from @BaghdadBob's twitter account and acting like it's the New York fucking Times.

 

4 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Don't attach my name to that crazy UTH quote.

Ok, my point was that that it’s very much unclear what was going on.  Apparently the senators in briefing yesterday didn’t buy the administrations story either.  1 side says one thing, the other side says another.  Who the hell knows.  And I don’t think I’m being crazy.  I think it’s fucking nuts to believe anything that our government says about war in the Middle East in particular.  Why on earth after everything over our lifetimes would you believe anything they say ?? I’m not saying to buy an Iranian or Iraqi narrative.  But I do think that we should view this with extreme skepticism. 

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4 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Now were getting into a different discussion.

The reason I say that what Iran is doing is what we are doing, is simply to point out that the same standard people who disagree with our foreign policy use against our own government should be used against everyone else.

From my standpoint, what Iran is doing in Iraq, and to a the same extent Syria, Lebanon and the Golan, not to mention Afghanistan, is what we do. And they arent doing it for the greater good, or peacefully. Neither do we. But nobody should hold a different standard of their people are killed in the process.

Also keep in mind that Iranian intervention in Iraq is destabilizing. Not for us, for the region. The Sunnis dont want them there, and its one of the keys that led to ISIS being welcomed in the first place. 

Im not at all saying we are the good guy here. And neither are the Saudis, the other gulf states, etc etc. But Iran is supporting insurgency in almost every country in the region. You mention that Iraq and Iran share a border, fair enough. They dont share a border with Yemen or Lebanon, but they are doing the same.

Soleimani was not a good guy. And the shia death squads they support are every bit as bad as ISIS, just not as united.

 

I think you and I have very different views of the last century of middle eastern history and we’re kind of dancing around in circles.  We can try and narrow these topics down a bit if you’d like.  But look,  my intention is not to say that Iran is a “good” actor (also what would this even mean ? (Imo there are no good actors in this area).  Obviously the Iranians are guilty of heinous things.  But I think it’s important to take a lot of things into context when talking about this stuff.  We could have a pretty interesting talk about colonialism in the Middle East the various autocratic governments.  US intervention over more then 6 decades.  What’s is essentially a Cold War between Iran and Saudi Arabia.  Saudi incubation of violent Wahhabism (which has far more to do with ISIS then a response to the shia return to dominance in Iraq)  Anyway.  Maybe we should.  I am prepared to buy beers and weep about the Angels in addition.  

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41 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I think you and I have very different views of the last century of middle eastern history and we’re kind of dancing around in circles.  We can try and narrow these topics down a bit if you’d like.  But look,  my intention is not to say that Iran is a “good” actor (also what would this even mean ? (Imo there are no good actors in this area).  Obviously the Iranians are guilty of heinous things.  But I think it’s important to take a lot of things into context when talking about this stuff.  We could have a pretty interesting talk about colonialism in the Middle East the various autocratic governments.  US intervention over more then 6 decades.  What’s is essentially a Cold War between Iran and Saudi Arabia.  Saudi incubation of violent Wahhabism (which has far more to do with ISIS then a response to the shia return to dominance in Iraq)  Anyway.  Maybe we should.  I am prepared to buy beers and weep about the Angels in addition.  

Ill buy. Just remember, I reserve the right to both change my stance if you win the debate, as well as to make fun of @tanks movie list and strads fries, and get to blame it on the alcohol even before we drink the first one.

and P.S., to clarify, I agree with the majority of your take. Including Washington, there are no good guys participating over there.

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12 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Funny, I worked at a 7-11 for 4 years. There used to be a Native American dude who would come in every other day on his motorcycle to buy a pack of American Spirits (because of course). He was an asshole.

He has his own cd of him playing flute music. I told him I'd buy one off him, expecting it to be like $5. He fuckin charged me $20 for it. I was pissed. Why did I pay 20 bucks for Indian Flute music? 

That was when I knew I had become a dirty Lib.

you should've asked him if you could make payments on it as if you were buying a hat.

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10 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I just... don't care about the golfing thing. Yeah he's a hypocrite but that shouldn't surprise anyone. 

I'd rather he spend his time golfing than trying to do political shit. And yes I'm aware he does political shit while golfing.

If I were President, I'd spend a lot of my time golfing too. Obama did. They all do. 

It's funny, but it's just ultimately a non issue.

I agree with this. lots of business goes on on a golf course. this is nothing new.

I feel the same way about getting bent over a POTUS not having served in the military. it's not a big issue to me.

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7 hours ago, Taylor said:

Nice, Blarg. That's the first Rocky Horror Picture Show reference I've seen on AW.

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On 6/24/2016 at 12:58 PM, Mark68 said:

I think more of Rocky Horror without muscles:

 

Rocky Horror.jpg

 

On 5/13/2016 at 6:27 PM, mrwicked said:

Tim Curry for lyfe!

Seriously rocky horror is awesome.. And he has a great post-up game.

 

On 11/2/2015 at 5:42 PM, Mark68 said:

Rocky Horror Picture Show

 

HBO was doing a marathon on Halloween. Caught the tail end of it (the last one and a half times through).

 

Reminded me of seeing it every weekend back in the day at Balboa Theatre and Orange Mall.

 

On 11/2/2015 at 7:52 PM, mrwicked said:

 

that movie is so f*cking awful by itself.

but going to a "show" of it was so f*cking fun. where everyone knows the lines and yells sh*t out and dresses up.

agreed, we used to go all the time in HS and college.

can't imagine going now, but maybe ill give it a go sometime for nostalgia.

as long as they serve booze.

 

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12 hours ago, st1ckboy said:

So Trump mentioned this a few times today, including at his rally tonight:

Trump claims Soleimani plotted to blow up US embassies - CNNPolitics
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/politics/trump-soleimani-us-embassy/index.html

But apparently it was never mentioned during the "gang of 8" briefing yesterday. So like usual, Trump is apparently making this shit up.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was pressed on why he and the President have referenced threats to US embassies in the Middle East while some lawmakers claim they were not briefed on those threats behind closed doors.

Here's how he responded:

“We did (brief them on embassy threats). Yes. We told them about the imminent threat. All of the intelligence that we briefed – that you’ve heard today I assure you in an unclassified setting, we provide in the classified setting, as well,” Pompeo said. 

Pressed again, he said: “I’m not going to talk about the details of what we shared in a classified setting, but make no mistake about it: those leaders, those members of Congress who want to go access this same intelligence can see that very same intelligence that will reflect what I’m describing and what the president said last night.”

More about this: Two prominent Senate Republicans and congressional Democrats on Wednesday slammed the administration's briefing on the reasoning for the strike following briefings by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

And multiple lawmakers said they saw no specific intelligence that pointed to an imminent threat from Soleimani that justified the strike.

 

Someone is lying here. I'm going to go out on a limb, and say it's Pompeo. 

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30 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was pressed on why he and the President have referenced threats to US embassies in the Middle East while some lawmakers claim they were not briefed on those threats behind closed doors.

Here's how he responded:

“We did (brief them on embassy threats). Yes. We told them about the imminent threat. All of the intelligence that we briefed – that you’ve heard today I assure you in an unclassified setting, we provide in the classified setting, as well,” Pompeo said. 

Pressed again, he said: “I’m not going to talk about the details of what we shared in a classified setting, but make no mistake about it: those leaders, those members of Congress who want to go access this same intelligence can see that very same intelligence that will reflect what I’m describing and what the president said last night.”

More about this: Two prominent Senate Republicans and congressional Democrats on Wednesday slammed the administration's briefing on the reasoning for the strike following briefings by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

And multiple lawmakers said they saw no specific intelligence that pointed to an imminent threat from Soleimani that justified the strike.

 

Someone is lying here. I'm going to go out on a limb, and say it's Pompeo. 

Dude. You're talking about public servants. Lying isn't something they would even consider

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41 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was pressed on why he and the President have referenced threats to US embassies in the Middle East while some lawmakers claim they were not briefed on those threats behind closed doors.

Here's how he responded:

“We did (brief them on embassy threats). Yes. We told them about the imminent threat. All of the intelligence that we briefed – that you’ve heard today I assure you in an unclassified setting, we provide in the classified setting, as well,” Pompeo said. 

Pressed again, he said: “I’m not going to talk about the details of what we shared in a classified setting, but make no mistake about it: those leaders, those members of Congress who want to go access this same intelligence can see that very same intelligence that will reflect what I’m describing and what the president said last night.”

More about this: Two prominent Senate Republicans and congressional Democrats on Wednesday slammed the administration's briefing on the reasoning for the strike following briefings by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

And multiple lawmakers said they saw no specific intelligence that pointed to an imminent threat from Soleimani that justified the strike.

 

Someone is lying here. I'm going to go out on a limb, and say it's Pompeo. 

I'd say that both Pompeo & Trump are lying. But that's par for the course.

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On 1/10/2020 at 12:20 AM, Tank said:

I agree with this. lots of business goes on on a golf course. this is nothing new.

I believe that the distinction comes when the current President has gone on record as criticizing how often that his predecessors played golf, then does 20 times as much of it. They also did not own the courses that they played on, and they did not stand to personally profit from it.

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11 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

I believe that the distinction comes when the current President has gone on record as criticizing how often that his predecessors played golf, then does 20 times as much of it. They also did not own the courses that they played on, and they did not stand to personally profit from it.

This is all true, but I still don't care. He's a hypocrite. Everything he's ever criticized another human being for doing, he's not only done it himself, but he does it regularly.

But golfing and profiting from being President is, unfortunately, a "Both Sides!" thing. 

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8 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

But golfing and profiting from being President is, unfortunately, a "Both Sides!" thing. 

Everybody who has been President for at least the past 50-60 years has profited from it. I don't recall any, however, who so blatantly lined their own pockets directly from public money. Those Secret Service personnel and flight crews aren't staying at Mar-a-Lago for free.

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