[hey mtangelsfan] How Bernie pays for his proposals

[Make Angels Great Again]

People complaining about Bernie giving "free stuff" just don't get it.

 

You drive on free stuff (roads) to work, that you partially earned through your free stuff high school education, drop your children off at free stuff (school) while being protected by free stuff (police).

[nate]

roads are essential and paid for by car registration

high schools are essential and paid for by income tax

police are paid for by income and sales tax

 

none of it is free.  college education is not essential and tuition costs can be earned by the person attending college.

Edited February 23, 2016 by nate

[mtangelsfan]

Pretty sure a majority of schooling is paid for by property tax.

[Make Angels Great Again]

roads are essential and paid for by car registration

high schools are essential and paid for by income tax

police are paid for by income and sales tax

 

none of it is free.  college education is not essential and tuition costs can be earned by the person attending college.

 

 

Great job missing the point.

 

1 - Tell that to the job market

 

2 - I give you this graph:

 

[Make Angels Great Again]

Pretty sure a majority of schooling is paid for by property tax.

 

 

Exactly!

 

Those thieves! How shitty do you think this country would look if there was no free public education, and it was all private? Very few families can afford to send their children to private school.

[Make Angels Great Again]

You guys are all recipients of "free stuff" as some like to call it.

[nate]

you still don't get it.

 

of course a college education leads to making more money.  you have to work for it.  it is not essential though, you can still get a job without it.  if you want one, earn the money to go to college, get a degree and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

[Adam]

Every decision has an ROI. 

[nate]

You guys are all recipients of "free stuff" as some like to call it.

 

lol

 

we pay more for them than most people do.  do you not understand how taxes work?

[Make Angels Great Again]

I do,

 

Do you not understand that a more well educated society is good for everyone?

[Stradling]

AFL you still haven't explained why high income earners should pay more more to me. Let's say I make $200k and you make $100k, I'm already paying twice as much as you. Why should I have to pay twice plus you plus a bonus 3-5% just because others aren't successful. Explain to me how that makes sense. I'm already paying for the roads and the schools, probably more for the schools sense I'm probably in a more expensive house that has higher property taxes.

[Stradling]

I don't have a college degree and make a decent living because I worked hard and was promoted a few times.

[Make Angels Great Again]

AFL you still haven't explained why high income earners should pay more more to me. Let's say I make $200k and you make $100k, I'm already paying twice as much as you. Why should I have to pay twice plus you plus a bonus 3-5% just because others aren't successful. Explain to me how that makes sense. I'm already paying for the roads and the schools, probably more for the schools sense I'm probably in a more expensive house that has higher property taxes.

 

 

I don't have a great answer for you.

 

Higher earners go in higher tax brackets. That's just how it works.

 

I'll gladly trade places and pay more taxes, no questions asked. Where do I sign up?

[Adam]

And you blew the right dudes too. Don't underestimate that impact!

[Make Angels Great Again]

I don't have a college degree and make a decent living because I worked hard and was promoted a few times.

 

 

Exception, not the rule.

[Adam]

I don't have a great answer for you.

 

Higher earners go in higher tax brackets. That's just how it works.

 

I'll gladly trade places and pay more taxes, no questions asked. Where do I sign up?

 

Making money isn't very complicated. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Nothing is free as somebody somewhere is always paying for services provided.  A more educated society doesn't necessarily correlate to better or more jobs as it's based on supply and demand.  Some of the lack of wage growth is due to the rest of the world catching up to the US who had major advantages after WW2 when Europe was in shambles. 

[Stradling]

I don't have a great answer for you.

Higher earners go in higher tax brackets. That's just how it works.

I'll gladly trade places and pay more taxes, no questions asked. Where do I sign up?

You sign up at workyourassoff.com.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Making money isn't very complicated. 

 

 

It's also far from a sure thing.

 

Are you saying there aren't people out there working their asses off with nothing to show for it?

[Make Angels Great Again]

You sign up at workyourassoff.com.

 

 

See above, not always a guarantee.

[nate]

I do,

 

Do you not understand that a more well educated society is good for everyone?

 

Again you don't get it.

 

First of all, where are you going to find all of the new well qualified teachers, real estate, etc to build thousands of new colleges?

If you don't then you are increasing class sizes to such a rate that it would be impossible to educate.

You are then diluting the quality of education so much it becomes nearly worthless

Now nobody is getting a quality education

You are delaying everyone's entry into the workforce by four years, even for jobs that do not require a college education

 

Congrats, you just ruined the economy and the college education system in the country.

[Spirit]

I work for a company with a $42B market cap.  The number of people working here without a college degree and making over $100k would make your head spin.  

 

College degrees are great for some people.  They're even essential for some jobs.  But they're not required to make a good living in this country.

 

And if you feel you need a college degree to get to where you're going ... great!  Go earn it!  

 

 

As I've said before, I'm even open to giving people a tuition free education if they're willing to give back.  The military was discussed.  Join the Peace Corp.  Be a teacher in lower income areas.  Something.  Just earn it.  

[Make Angels Great Again]

Again you don't get it.

 

First of all, where are you going to find all of the new well qualified teachers, real estate, etc to build thousands of new colleges?

If you don't then you are increasing class sizes to such a rate that it would be impossible to educate.

You are then diluting the quality of education so much it becomes nearly worthless

Now nobody is getting a quality education

You are delaying everyone's entry into the workforce by four years, even for jobs that do not require a college education

 

Congrats, you just ruined the economy and the college education system in the country.

 

 

That's impressively pessimistic.

[Adam]

It's also far from a sure thing.

 

Are you saying there aren't people out there working their asses off with nothing to show for it?

 

 

No. I said "Making money isn't complicated."

[nate]

Stop asking people to work for their freebies, Geoff, that is abhorrent.