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Baldoquin


Erstad Grit

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So to me, it speaks volumes that we went out and got a SS for the next five years when Baldoquin was supposed to be the heir apparent.  

 

I haven't seen much of him but he was supposed to make a pretty quick stop at A ball and then move on to AA.  This year was supposed to be AA/AAA and maybe even a shot at the majors.  He certainly failed to meet the org's expectations by quite a bit.  

 

That said, it doesn't mean he lacks potential or that he won't be a major leaguer some day but.  He basically took a year off from pro ball, had to go through a cultural adjustment and was injured to boot.  Even with that, he was dreadful.  Both on offense and defense.  No plate awareness.  Pretty awful defensively.  

 

I'll give him a pass for one season, but if he doesn't make substantial improvements this year, he's likely a bust.  He's going to repeat A+ ball at least.  They might even put him in extended spring and have him start over in rookie ball if he can't get things together.  

 

Also, no invite to major league camp.  

 

Give him another year at least, but it's not looking too promising.  

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Here's what bill mitchell had to say in his top 10 prospect chat.

 

Frank (Chicago, IL): Is R. Baldoquin a prospect or a suspect to you?
Bill Mitchell: Roberto Baldoquin is the 21-year-old Cuban infielder that the Angels signed last winter for $8 million, resulting in a penalty of nearly the same amount for exceeding their international bonus pool. He reported late for spring training due to visa issues and then suffered a number of injuries throughout the season that had him spending a significant amount of time in the training room. In addition, Baldoquin experienced some of the normal adjustment issues for Cuban players coming to the United States for the first time. Give him a mulligan for his first season, but scouts don’t see a special talent that made it worthwhile blowing up the international budget. He’s in the Prospect Handbook but obviously outside the top 10.

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This org is an absolute joke with scouting and development.

Figures it would fire the guy who found Trout.

 

You shouldn't hold the current front office responsible for the sins of the last one.   JD came in fired just about everyone in the farm system and filled it with his guys.  Four years later....here we are.

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Because Baldoquin is a bust we had to trade our top two pitching prospects for a young SS and 8 million dollars.

We could have kept Aybar, Newcomb and Ellis, let Aybar walk and potentially get a 1st round pick if he rejected our 15 million offer, then if Baldoquin was a year away signed a cheap defensive specialist for one year to play the position until Baldoquin ws ready.

Sweet!

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Because Baldoquin is a bust we had to trade our top two pitching prospects for a young SS and 8 million dollars.

We could have kept Aybar, Newcomb and Ellis, let Aybar walk and potentially get a 1st round pick if he rejected our 15 million offer, then if Baldoquin was a year away signed a cheap defensive specialist for one year to play the position until Baldoquin ws ready.

Sweet!

You're kidding, right?

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He could still develop into a second baseman which is another weak spot on the roster. At 21 he is a long way from being considered a bust, he is also just now entering the age where most guys end up in High A ball. I'm not writing the guy off as of yet.

You're right.  It's not that the guy is useless, it's just that he wasn't worth getting locked out of the best available players including Vlad Jr for two years.  

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He could still develop into a second baseman which is another weak spot on the roster. At 21 he is a long way from being considered a bust, he is also just now entering the age where most guys end up in High A ball. I'm not writing the guy off as of yet.

 

You're right.  It's not that the guy is useless, it's just that he wasn't worth getting locked out of the best available players including Vlad Jr for two years.  

Nothing to do at this point but give him time to develop and hope for the best....I have no ability to evaluate or project, as some of you do, but I have to assume that other teams (who passed on the type of deal we signed him to) and talent evaluators couldn't all be wrong on this guy....he was, when we signed him, and still is, a marginal guy, not worth blowing up your budget over....but, sometimes guys who may have marginal skill sets develop into productive players....nothing else to do at this point but hope he shows something.....and, as IP says in this thread, not Eppler's fault....

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You shouldn't hold the current front office responsible for the sins of the last one. JD came in fired just about everyone in the farm system and filled it with his guys. Four years later....here we are.

True, it was more a shot at the org in general, especially at Moreno.

Dipoto, except for drafting some decent pitching, was pretty much a bust as GM.

Good luck with that, M's

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You're right.  It's not that the guy is useless, it's just that he wasn't worth getting locked out of the best available players including Vlad Jr for two years.  

 

One of the reasons I didn't think Dipoto and crew were that skilled at player evaluation but maybe Baldo will surprise us.,

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True, it was more a shot at the org in general, especially at Moreno.

Dipoto, except for drafting some decent pitching, was pretty much a bust as GM.

Good luck with that, M's

I think DiPoto was a mixed bag....Trumbo and Kendrick were good deals, assuming Skaggs and Heaney develop....Freese was an awful trade, particularly if Grichuk continues to develop ....If he did anything other than raise hell with Arte about signing Hamilton, that would be on him....Conger deal was outstanding, Street was a good deal....he did some good things...

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I think DiPoto was a mixed bag....Trumbo and Kendrick were good deals, assuming Skaggs and Heaney develop....Freese was an awful trade, particularly if Grichuk continues to develop ....If he did anything other than raise hell with Arte about signing Hamilton, that would be on him....Conger deal was outstanding, Street was a good deal....he did some good things...

 

He wasn't a bad GM.  

 

I still think his trade for Greinke was about as excellent a use of assets as we have seen in Anaheim, along with moves like Bartee for Figgins and Cooper for Fullmer. 

 

I don't believe he gets enough props for the Greinke deal.   

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Dipoto was good when it comes to trades. Greinke, Trumbo, Kendrick, even Kubitza were all good trades. This dates back to his days in Arizona, he made a great trade with Haren.

But when it comes to player evaluation, Dipoto was pretty awful. 15 million on Baldoquin is inexcusable. Acquiring Matt Joyce. Signing Blanton, Burnett and Madson, trading for Hanson. We gave up really good RP for those guys like Walden and Jepsen too.

Like most other GM's, Dipoto was a mixed bag of strengths and weaknesses.

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He wasn't a bad GM.

I still think his trade for Greinke was about as excellent a use of assets as we have seen in Anaheim, along with moves like Bartee for Figgins and Cooper for Fullmer.

I don't believe he gets enough props for the Greinke deal.

I think the reason for the lack of live for the Greinke deal is for 3 reasons. First is the great first half of a season JS had. So the first impression is that it was a terrible trade especially because Greinke's first start or two were not great. Second is that we didn't sign Greinke after his deal. Although it has nothing to do with the value we got or gave up in the trade if we had the last 4 years of ZG people would have loved him. Finally, despite ZG pitching great down the stretch we didn't make the playoffs.

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I think the reason for the lack of live for the Greinke deal is for 3 reasons. First is the great first half of a season JS had. So the first impression is that it was a terrible trade especially because Greinke's first start or two were not great. Second is that we didn't sign Greinke after his deal. Although it has nothing to do with the value we got or gave up in the trade if we had the last 4 years of ZG people would have loved him. Finally, despite ZG pitching great down the stretch we didn't make the playoffs.

 

Yup, I think you summed it up perfectly.   

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Because Baldoquin is a bust we had to trade our top two pitching prospects for a young SS and 8 million dollars.

We could have kept Aybar, Newcomb and Ellis, let Aybar walk and potentially get a 1st round pick if he rejected our 15 million offer, then if Baldoquin was a year away signed a cheap defensive specialist for one year to play the position until Baldoquin ws ready.

Sweet!

Very good point.  If he wasn't a bust, we cold have traded Newcomb and Ellis for a LF bat instead and we would have a balanced lineup.  

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