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Trout Slump Over


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Just checked his stats the second I woke up this morning and realized that it's all starting to come together again right before you made this thread. Do you think he could get back up to a .300 average/.400 OBP/1.000 OPS by the end of the season?

 

He's pretty close in terms of OBP/Slug to get to a 1.000 OPS, but I don't know about that average. It could be the difference between an MVP award (if he heats up even more and gets us into the playoffs) and being in 2nd place for the third time.

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Nice to see him back but August he was well below a replacement level player. His Napoliesque dive was a main contributor to the Angels going 10-19. His return to hitting coincided with swinging at the first strike instead of taking, taking, taking. About every fan saw that was his problem, the talent was there he just hobbled himself at the plate giving pitchers a free pass.

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Nice to see him back but August he was well below a replacement level player. His Napoliesque dive was a main contributor to the Angels going 10-19. His return to hitting coincided with swinging at the first strike instead of taking, taking, taking. About every fan saw that was his problem, the talent was there he just hobbled himself at the plate giving pitchers a free pass.

Bringing in the "don't forget he sucked last month" post...Thumbs up!

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Well it is still relevant considering the Angels are still trying to recover with not enough games left. So a little perspective on the Trout porn is in order.

At this point the Angels don't control their own destiny, chasing two teams they no longer have any games against to get into a one game playoff. Their last series is against the division leader and the Rangers certainly will be more than glad to step on their necks to eliminate them.

Trouts august is a factor in where the Angels are today.

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Well it is still relevant considering the Angels are still trying to recover with not enough games left. So a little perspective on the Trout porn is in order.

At this point the Angels don't control their own destiny, chasing two teams they no longer have any games against to get into a one game playoff. Their last series us against the division leader and the Rangers certainly will be more than glad to step on their necks to eliminate them.

Yeah, I get that but there are already a ton of posts that are about how Trout sucked last month.  This post is about how he is pulling out of the slump so, I don't get why the "perspective" is necessary...its not like people have forgotten he struggled pretty recently.

 

I also get that his struggles contributed to the Angels slump...so did the spotty starting pitching, the declining BP, and every other batter sucking in the line-up.  It was a complete team effort.

 

But thanks for turning a rare positive post about the best player on the team, and pretty much the main reason we're even close to a playoff spot to being with, into a "don't forget he sucked" thread

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Yeah, I'm sounding a little Homebrewer/AO/seenoevil in this thread. Sorry about that.

It's good to see the guy we know can play at this level out there leading the charge. It would be do much easier for him to maintain if there was a reasonable supporting cast like there was last season.

Last year every daily player was above league average. This season they can hardly field four at a time. It has to grind on the better players to living the role of Sisyphus instead of Hercules. One is bound to carrying a huge weight while the other can throw his weight around.

The lack of support really damaged Trout's bid for back to back MVP. Who knows, maybe he does something fantastic these last few games and gives reason to consider him this season. It would be just like him to blow the league away.

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Yeah, I'm sounding a little Homebrewer/AO/seenoevil in this thread. Sorry about that.

It's good to see the guy we know can play at this level out there leading the charge. It would be do much easier for him to maintain if there was a reasonable supporting cast like there was last season.

Last year every daily player was above league average. This season they can hardly field four at a time. It has to grind on the better players to living the role of Sisyphus instead of Hercules. One is bound to carrying a huge weight while the other can throw his weight around.

The lack of support really damaged Trout's bid for back to back MVP. Who knows, maybe he does something fantastic these last few games and gives reason to consider him this season. It would be just like him to blow the league away.

The crazy thing is, despite his slump last month, he's having a better season than his MVP year and, if it wasn't for the rest of the offense being so stagnate, he'd have a lot more RBI.  I think the only way Trout makes it race for the MVP with Donaldson is if the Angels at least make it to the 2nd Wild Card.

 

Last season: .287 .377 OBP .939 OPS

This season: .294 .397 OBP .984 OPS

 

He's leading the AL in SLG (.587), OPS (.984) and OPS+ (175) plus K's are down (184 over 157 games versus a strike out a game at 149)

 

Donaldson is at .301 .371 OBP .945 OPS but is absolutely killing him in Runs (117 vs 97) and RBI (120 vs 87) due to the lack of opportunity to hit with men on and no one to knock him in when he is on.

 

They are obviously both worthy and, because, the Blue Jays are likely to win the East, the RBI will give him the edge.

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He definitely suffers from a poor on base production of the guys in front of him. Most notable was the Merry go round of leadoff hitters that neither hit nor got on base but also the back end of the lineup ending innings.

For years Scioscia would slip a guy into the #9 spot that seemed like a better hitter than what should bring up the rear. But it turned out to be an advantage in the long run as these guys ended up hitting 2nd or leading off an inning, moving the offense along to give the top of the order something to work with rather than an out and empty bases.

This year Trout ended up with a lot of solo home runs because he was seeing empty bases and one or two outs on the board so his rbi's are up to him, not the product of others bring in scoring position. His runs scored were up to a crap fest of weak hitting platoon players.

That is why having a complete lineup of league average dudes paid off so well last season because they didn't have so many empty base innings. This season plenty of one two three short turn around innings with the starter hardly getting his jacket over his arm before having to trudge out there to throw another shutout inning.

The imbalance affected Trout's production and the pitching staff clinging to one or two runs per game of support before they burn out and hand it over to the bullpen.

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Well it is still relevant considering the Angels are still trying to recover with not enough games left. So a little perspective on the Trout porn is in order.

At this point the Angels don't control their own destiny, chasing two teams they no longer have any games against to get into a one game playoff. Their last series is against the division leader and the Rangers certainly will be more than glad to step on their necks to eliminate them.

Trouts august is a factor in where the Angels are today.

The Angels are in control of their own destiny.  If the win out and Houston wins out, they over take Texas.

 

If the Angels win out and Houston loses one game they catch Houston.  Texas may have a four game lead on the Angels but they have six against the Angels and Houston.  

 

In all probability Texas knocks out Houston.  Angels Just have to win series.  7-3 out.  I do not believe Houston is going 7-3.  They struggle on the road, and all of their home games are against Texas who is smelling the division title.

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Mike Trout>>>>>Donaldson

Trout: 8.5 WAR - plays in a pitchers division (LAA, SEA, OAK).

Leading the league in OPS & SLG

.397 OBP

 

Donaldson: 8.4 WAR - plays in super hitter friendly division (Every park in the AL East).

Leading the league in a team dependent stat: RBIs

.371 OBP.

Its also not like he's the only guy who can hit on Toronto, They got Bautista & Encarcion each with .900 OPS or higher.

 

MVP voters are idiots if they let RBI's decide their vote.

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Well it is still relevant considering the Angels are still trying to recover with not enough games left. So a little perspective on the Trout porn is in order.

At this point the Angels don't control their own destiny, chasing two teams they no longer have any games against to get into a one game playoff. Their last series is against the division leader and the Rangers certainly will be more than glad to step on their necks to eliminate them.

Trouts august is a factor in where the Angels are today.

There are enough games left, they are only 1.5 back with 10 to play.  If they win enough of those 10 they are in the playoffs.

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The Angels are in control of their own destiny. If the win out and Houston wins out, they over take Texas.

If the Angels win out and Houston loses one game they catch Houston. Texas may have a four game lead on the Angels but they have six against the Angels and Houston.

In all probability Texas knocks out Houston. Angels Just have to win series. 7-3 out. I do not believe Houston is going 7-3. They struggle on the road, and all of their home games are against Texas who is smelling the division title.

The bigger threat is Minnesota. If The Angels and Twins both win out, and Texas wins all games not against the Angels, the Rangers win the division and Minnesota wins the second wild card. Houston and LAA are both out. Edited by ScottLux
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Just checked his stats the second I woke up this morning and realized that it's all starting to come together again right before you made this thread. Do you think he could get back up to a .300 average/.400 OBP/1.000 OPS by the end of the season?

 

He's pretty close in terms of OBP/Slug to get to a 1.000 OPS, but I don't know about that average. It could be the difference between an MVP award (if he heats up even more and gets us into the playoffs) and being in 2nd place for the third time.

 

I think he can get there, or at least close. The hardest will be SLG, the easiest OBP.

 

As for MVP, I think that ship has sailed - unless Donaldson tanks and softens his numbers AND Trout goes in a tirade.

 

Mike Trout>>>>>Donaldson

Trout: 8.5 WAR - plays in a pitchers division (LAA, SEA, OAK).

Leading the league in OPS & SLG

.397 OBP

 

Donaldson: 8.4 WAR - plays in super hitter friendly division (Every park in the AL East).

Leading the league in a team dependent stat: RBIs

.371 OBP.

Its also not like he's the only guy who can hit on Toronto, They got Bautista & Encarcion each with .900 OPS or higher.

 

MVP voters are idiots if they let RBI's decide their vote.

 

The last sentence is true, but the rest is just butt-hurt. You do realize that stats like WAR are equalized for home parks? Also, Donaldson still has a slight edge in fWAR.

 

Another way to look at it is that their overall performance has been virtually identical, but Donaldson has way more RBI and plays for a division winner. That will give him the edge.

 

Either way, unless Donaldson goes 0-40 and Trout 20-40 the remainder of the year, the voters aren't stupid for picking Donaldson. He's worthy.

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Since ending his home run drought on September 6: .279/.397/.690, 7 HR in 73 PA

 

Last seven games, since his 2 HR game on September 17: .346/.455/.885 in 33 PA

 

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Pujols seems to be coming out of his slump too. 

 

Took this shot when they came up to Safeco Field a couple weeks ago. 

 

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Mike Trout>>>>>Donaldson

Trout: 8.5 WAR - plays in a pitchers division (LAA, SEA, OAK).

Leading the league in OPS & SLG

.397 OBP

 

Donaldson: 8.4 WAR - plays in super hitter friendly division (Every park in the AL East).

Leading the league in a team dependent stat: RBIs

.371 OBP.

Its also not like he's the only guy who can hit on Toronto, They got Bautista & Encarcion each with .900 OPS or higher.

 

MVP voters are idiots if they let RBI's decide their vote.

 

You could have just stopped there.  But in all seriousness Donaldson is very deserving of the MVP.  If Trout finishes out very strong and the Angels make the playoffs it will be very close.  I wouldn't be able to argue against either being chosen if that happens (although I would hope it would go to Trout).

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