Blame Pie

[Angel Oracle]

This is a franchise wide issue.

Therefore, Arte Moreno needs to be included.

I assign 25% to each of the four (Moreno, Dipoto, Scioscia, players).

 

Moreno for being Starry-Eyed and signing Pujols and Hackilton, directing acquisition of Wells, giving Scioscia a 10 year contract, and basically totally ignoring Latin America

Dipoto for not being very good at all at acquiring offense help

Scioscia for maybe being burnt out after 16 seasons in one place

The players for not delivering at all during the 9-21 record stinkfest that effectively eliminated them from the post-season 

Edited September 16, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[IEAngelsfan]

99% the Illuminati

1% Sosh

Don't look now, but a black van is parked outside your house.

[Puget Sound Angel]

The bottom third of our batting  order.

[Stradling]

Assessing/assigning blame is pointless and stupid.

Come up with ways to fix the situation.

Says the guy who wants to fire Scioscia, and blames him for the poor performance of the team.

[HaloCory22]

I'd go

 

40% Dipoto/Arte

30% Players

30% Scioscia

 

Dipoto/Arte- There's only so much I can blame JD for without including Arte into the conversation. Arte handcuffed JD with potential moves thanks to the Pujols/CJ/Hamilton deals. Without at least Hamilton's deal, we might have Greinke or another impact bat right now. Without being able to spend much money, Jerry went out and did basically nothing at 2B. Decided to let it be a 3 man fight for the spot with 3 guys who have no business being a starter on a 98 win team a year before. He didn't do anything with the rotation. Richards, Shoe, and Santiago weren't going to repeat their 2014 seasons. I said it from the very beginning that in no way can you bank on that nor should you. I was very disappointed that we didn't bring in another arm.

 

Players- What can you say? A very streaky team that has overall been very mediocre. The offense lives and dies on the bat of Mike Trout. The same Trout who refuses to swing at the first pitch if his life depended on it. Erick Aybar who at times has a negative IQ on the field. Having absolutely nothing at 2B. Our catchers being absolutely terrible at the plate. Pujols' body breaking down right in front of us. Weaver sucking, CJ sucking. Richards, Shoe coming no where near to their 2014 performances. Santiago falling hard back to Earth after a fluke 1st half. A lot of this stuff can't be fixed by management. Its on the players to step up and perform and they haven't.

 

Scioscia- Some of his decision making (particularly with the bullpen) infuriates me. Continuing to roll Salas out there in high pressure moments and time after time getting shelled is beyond me. The lack of panic even in mid September when we're 4 games out. Taking 2 months to finally move Kole back to leadoff was a joke. I just don't think Scioscia has the team anymore. Again, that's just my personal belief. A change is needed.

[70runner]

Trump: 75% because he didn't buy the team, pass on Pujols & Hamilton, then dump Scioscia along with his gaggle of coaching buddies

 

Scioscia: 24% because he's too comfortable, stubborn, and focuses on his GM empire at the expense of dugout leadership

 

Goober: 1% for constantly quoting Pujols irrelevant career stats

[Chuck]

Scott34's handshake 33%

Mike Trout's slump 34%

David Freese injury 33% 

[Homebrewer]

Says the guy who wants to fire Scioscia, and blames him for the poor performance of the team. >>>

My solution and yours may differ, but I firmly believe Scioscia has a lot to do with the problems, not just on this years edition, and not just with the players involved, but across the spectrum and throughout the last decade+. The post season futility since 2002 has just one common participant, and that is Mike Scioscia. And yes, I firmly believe that his dismissal would go a long way towards righting the ship.

This underachievement didn't just rear it's head this year, it has been ongoing.

A new GM or a few FA's isn't going to change the mental make-up of these boneheads....the head bonehead needs to be shown the door and a new attitude installed.

Turnin the page aint cuttin it.

[Dick B Back]

I blame the players 100% for the orgy of suckage. I've seen good players win with questionable managers and/or lousy front offices. If you have a bunch of dudes playing below par, you get what you get.

[ABC]

80% players

10% Arte

7% Dipoto

3% Sosh

 

Sosh has a limited influence on the games however I think the Angels are better off without an old-school manager. Even with a brilliant saber manager, there is only so much better the Angels can get. I think the Angels are better if Dipoto comes back and Sosh is gone.

[mp170.6]

100% Stradling

Less:  100% Scioscialist Rebate

[Docwaukee]

too many unanswered questions to draw these sorts of conclusions although I would tend to put most of the blame on the players.  

[Stradling]

100% Stradling

Less: 100% Scioscialist Rebate

I have no idea what this means. I can't tell if it is a joke blaming me for the Angels failures or if it is a joke about me not hating Scioscia more. I guess it could be both. I blame mp170 for the fake moon landing, the lies about 911 (including the one that came out today about the BWW guy) and I blame him for tdawg having to call us all sheeple. Oh and mp probably smells like old beef stew.

[mp170.6]

I have no idea what this means. I can't tell if it is a joke blaming me for the Angels failures or if it is a joke about me not hating Scioscia more. I guess it could be both. I blame mp170 for the fake moon landing, the lies about 911 (including the one that came out today about the BWW guy) and I blame him for tdawg having to call us all sheeple. Oh and mp probably smells like old beef stew.

 

It was totally a joke.  No worries, I was just having fun. 

 

I'm staring at an accounting entry for work and I modified it with your name.  =)

[Stradling]

It was totally a joke. No worries, I was just having fun.

I'm staring at an accounting entry for work and I modified it with your name. =)

I knew you were joking, I joked back. But I do blame you for the overuse of the term sheeple.

[Troll Daddy]

I believe this thread to be a little premature.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Scott34's handshake 33%

Mike Trout's slump 34%

David Freese injury 33% 

 

Damn it, we told Scott to stop shaking hands with people, and here we are in the same situation all over again.

[AngelsLakersFan]

mmm pie (you're welcome Glen).

So lets hear it, you have to divvy up 100% of the blame and here are your choices:

Scioscia

The Players

Dipoto

It would be too easy to put all the blame on Arte so please refrian from him being in this.

Mine would go:

50% Dipoto- the roster construction since the beginning of the season is just awful. He wasn't able to adequately replace Howie's production on either side of the ball. Also Joyce was about as bad as you can be and retain a job.

35%- Players, there are basically six players on this roster having decent years by their standards, Trout, Calhoun, Aybar, Cron, Santiago and Gott. The rest aren't really doing anything. They aren't all that talented, but they fail to execute so often that it is just ugly.

15%- Scioscia and his coaching staff. I truly don't know what he can do with these guys and their lack of talent, but the truly great managers get their players playing at their highest levels. Scioscia is a solid to good major league manager, but it is time for a change. Butcher is probably average at best. Baylor, I love the guy, but I can't honestly say he has taken any one player and made them better offensively.

 

This is far too simple to have meaning. Blame is complicated and more than anything this year it falls on the decision to 'go for it' following the 2009 season rather than bite the bullet and go through a mild rebuild phase. 

 

They went for it, they didn't make it, they reinvested (Pujols), didn't make it, then doubled down (Hamilton) didn't make it, and then rather than rebuilding or reinvesting again we have settled for mediocrity (.500 team). 

[Sciosciapath]

Marine Layer is not getting enough blame.

Marine Layer 100%

[Homebrewer]

Hamilton's strip club pals.

[floplag]

all of the above
/end

[Capital_Dave]

Players 90% -- they get paid to perform... they have not performed.

Scioscia 5%

Dipoto 4%

Angel Oracle 1%

[mulwin444]

Let's see:

 

Lead-off double did not score: Check

 

Runner stranded at 3B, less than 2 outs: Check

 

Out made at home on contact play: Check

 

Two out runs allowed: Check

 

Runners Left In Scoring Position with 2 outs: Check

 

Just doing what average teams do...

[Glen]

Am I the only one who keeps thinking of this whenever I see the thread title?

 

[the dude abides]

Am I the only one who keeps thinking of this whenever I see the thread title?

 

 

I was thinking the same thing.

 

I loves me some floor pie.