Cespedes

[Halos of Anaheim]

Acquire Dee Gordon by including Santiago in a package in exchange, and sign Cespedes.

Gordon

Calhoun

Trout

Cespedes

Pujols

Cron

Aybar

Cowart

Perez/Bandy

 

Gordon and Heyward  > Gordon and Cespedes imo. Heyward will also be cheaper (and he's younger). Heyward is also a lefty, helps the lefty/righty combo out better.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Halos of Anaheim

[Stradling]

Acquire Dee Gordon by including Santiago in a package in exchange, and sign Cespedes.

Gordon

Calhoun

Trout

Cespedes

Pujols

Cron

Aybar

Cowart

Perez/Bandy

They gave up Heaney to get Gordon. If you want him it will probably cost you Newcombe.

[Blarg]

...or maybe one of those guys that prove SABR isn't gospel. 

 

Don't be a clown.

 

[gotbeer]

Acquire Dee Gordon by including Santiago in a package in exchange, and sign Cespedes.

Gordon

Calhoun

Trout

Cespedes

Pujols

Cron

Aybar

Cowart

Perez/Bandy

 

Unfortunately, Gordon has 3 years till FA'cy.  So it will cost quite a bit to get him, if he's even available for trade.  

[AngelsLakersFan]

Cespedes would look good in the Angels lineup batting cleanup between Trout and Pujols.  (Yes moving Pujols to 5th in the lineup)  And would make for one scary outfield.  

 

But Arte will first have to agree to blow up the Luxury Tax.  In which there are no indications so far that he is willing to do.  

 

If you make that move, I think you can have a few growing pain years for Cowart at 3B, since he would be around a 8/9 hitter.  That would leave C and 2B.  It would be nice to get a leadoff hitter type 2B and a pure defensive C .  

 

Heyward is good.  But I don't think he's a #4 type hitter.  More of a #2/3 type.  In which Calhoun and Trout should fill that roll.  And is Heyward good enough to supplant Pujols from #4 like Cespedes can?  If he cannot supplant Pujols, then I think it would be a wasted signing.  

 

Other problem will be I think to get Cespedes, you have to look at a shorter Stanton type deal.  

 

It'll be an interesting offseason.  With lots of AO yelling.  

 

You get Hayward to bat lead off. He'll get on base in front of Trout, Calhoun and Pujols, and he's an excellent baserunner so I expect him to surpass 100 runs without much trouble. He is essentially a more run scoring (rather than RBI) oriented version of Calhoun. Right now we have Calhoun batting lead off, but he is really miscast at the top of the lineup, he's a run producer / RBI guy and is a great option for the #3 or #4 spot.

 

Cespedes has hovered around league average with the bat during 2 of his 4 seasons in MLB. I think he is a much higher risk to be that guy going forward. Meanwhile Hayward has been disappointing with the bat but has been pretty consistently above average every year, and he is just now entering his prime. He's due to have his best years at the beginning of his new contract.

[AngelsLakersFan]

...or maybe one of those guys that prove SABR isn't gospel. 

What does this mean? Cespedes is 5th in MLB in fWAR this season....

[Tank]

was cespedes the cuban player that made a workout video showing how high he could jump? that was hilarious.

[gotbeer]

was cespedes the cuban player that made a workout video showing how high he could jump? that was hilarious.

 

Yes, that was part of his video.  

[ksangel]

The idea it would have taken trading Newcomb for Cespedes doesn't seem right.

 

The Mets traded two minor league pitchers - #7 prospect and one that wasn't even ranked in the top 30 at start of season who was a converted SS.

 

 

[gotbeer]

Going the penny pinching route.  What does everyone think of Brock Holt of the Red Sox.  He's in year 2 of his experience.  In the minors he played ss and 2b primarily.  But 2b for the Red Sox is PEDroiza land, so they pretty much had him as a platooner where he's played 7 postions this year.  He has very little power .370 MLB SLG, .410 minor league slugging.  He has some speed, 21/3 SB/CS in the MLB and 64/33 in the minors.  At least it seems he has enough speed where he won't get in the way.  

 

Here is what I like about him.  At the MLB level, .335 OBP in 2 seasons.  At the minor league level, .372 OBP over 6 seasons.  

 

This is what a boston site says about him.

 

The problem with Brock Holt's trade value

 

The big thing will be trade value.  I know he won't cost anything close to what a Gordon would cost.  I don't even think he will cost as much as the Boston site thinks.  For the Angels, it might fill 2b, and leadoff and maybe become like an Eckstein type player?  

[nate]

I's rather have Newcombe and take a chance at Cespedes this off season

 

Yea can't trade a top prospect for a rental

[Angelsfirst]

The idea it would have taken trading Newcomb for Cespedes doesn't seem right.

The Mets traded two minor league pitchers - #7 prospect and one that wasn't even ranked in the top 30 at start of season who was a converted SS.

Agreed, probably came down to the quality of the prospects. Don't think it would've taken Newcomb.

[Angelsfirst]

How many years do you think Cespedes will get? If it's 5 or more years, which I think it will be, I would pass as well. I think he could have helped us tremendously this season had we been able to get him and I prefer him over Heyward if I had to choose.

I just don't like the idea of giving either of them long term contracts. I just can't see it working out in the long run. I really just don't see any offensive game changers in the free agent market this offseason.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Angelsfirst

[Halos of Anaheim]

Going the penny pinching route.  What does everyone think of Brock Holt of the Red Sox.  He's in year 2 of his experience.  In the minors he played ss and 2b primarily.  But 2b for the Red Sox is PEDroiza land, so they pretty much had him as a platooner where he's played 7 postions this year.  He has very little power .370 MLB SLG, .410 minor league slugging.  He has some speed, 21/3 SB/CS in the MLB and 64/33 in the minors.  At least it seems he has enough speed where he won't get in the way.  

 

Here is what I like about him.  At the MLB level, .335 OBP in 2 seasons.  At the minor league level, .372 OBP over 6 seasons.  

 

This is what a boston site says about him.

 

The problem with Brock Holt's trade value

 

The big thing will be trade value.  I know he won't cost anything close to what a Gordon would cost.  I don't even think he will cost as much as the Boston site thinks.  For the Angels, it might fill 2b, and leadoff and maybe become like an Eckstein type player?  

 

Seems like a trade Dipoto would make. Aka smart. Too bad our next GM won't be.

[Stradling]

Seems like a trade Dipoto would make. Aka smart. Too bad our next GM won't be.

Our next GM won't be smart enough to sign Featherston, Trade for Joyce, sign Blanton, Burnet and all the other shitty moves, man that sucks.

[eligrba]

Sounds like the GM equivalent of the Angels 2015 offense.

[ten ocho recon scout]

The idea it would have taken trading Newcomb for Cespedes doesn't seem right.

The Mets traded two minor league pitchers - #7 prospect and one that wasn't even ranked in the top 30 at start of season who was a converted SS.

but did we have anything outside of newcomb that could beat that?

Im not up on my farm knowledge like some of you, but our #2 guy (not heaney, whoever is after him/newcomb) may be good to us, but not better than the #7 guy from the mets

[seenoevil]

I thought he was horrible according the the experts in here.

[tomsred]

Seems like a trade Dipoto would make. Aka smart. Too bad our next GM won't be.

 

You guys are reaching new lows, bashing people who we don't know, and who aren't even here.

[tomsred]

Our next GM won't be smart enough to sign Featherston, Trade for Joyce, sign Blanton, Burnet and all the other shitty moves, man that sucks.

 

I just hope the next guy has enough smarts not to quit in the middle of the job.

[Halos of Anaheim]

Our next GM won't be smart enough to sign Featherston, Trade for Joyce, sign Blanton, Burnet and all the other shitty moves, man that sucks.

 

Yeah, or acquire Street, Santiago, Skaggs, Heaney, Newcombe, Giavotella, Perez or Tropaeno for aging/overrated players.

 

Any GM who signs with us from this point forward with Scioscia around, after what happened with him and Dipoto, will be a puppet who has zero mind of his own. Progressive GM's with an eye for talent like Dipoto wouldn't ever want to be apart of the toxic environment we call the Angels front office.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Halos of Anaheim

[seenoevil]

Yeah, or acquire Street, Santiago, Skaggs, Heaney, Newcombe, Giavotella, Perez or Tropaeno for aging/overrated players.

Any GM who signs with us from this point forward with Scioscia around, after what happened with him and Dipoto, will be a puppet who has zero mind of his own. Progressive GM's with an eye for talent like Dipoto wouldn't ever want to be apart of the toxic environment we call the Angels front office.

hell yeah!

[Stradling]

Yeah, or acquire Street, Santiago, Skaggs, Heaney, Newcombe, Giavotella, Perez or Tropaeno for aging/overrated players.

Any GM who signs with us from this point forward with Scioscia around, after what happened with him and Dipoto, will be a puppet who has zero mind of his own. Progressive GM's with an eye for talent like Dipoto wouldn't ever want to be apart of the toxic environment we call the Angels front office.

Unless of course they like Scioscia or they want to be the GM of a team with Mike Trout.

[Troll Daddy]

But AO, you can't play the game with 9 players. And in 2017, we only have 3 players inked for $55 million. We also have a lot of arbitration guys.

So no matter how much we clear, it will get used up quick. And until we don't have a ceiling of the luxury tax, I have a bad feeling we will be spinning our wheels while we have the best player in Baseball.

Having the best player in baseball is great ... but most all teams have a star player on their roster.

Btw I Hate the term 'best player in baseball' .

Edited September 12, 2015 by Troll Daddy

[ettin]

You guys are reaching new lows, bashing people who we don't know, and who aren't even here.

 

 

I just hope the next guy has enough smarts not to quit in the middle of the job.

 

Can't we just drop it? He is gone. If this continues I'm going to take the time to mount a well-thought out defense.