Angels pitching is terrible

[ettin]

The worst part is that Wilson's "injury" has prevented us from trading him this year it has also made it quite difficult to trade him before next season starts because many teams will want to see how he recovers let alone take on most or all of his salary. This also has a negative effect in that our rotation will be forced to start Wilson simply to help rebuild his value. The only real hope is that C.J. actually pitches well and that is always a gamble especially after surgery.

 

This means that Wilson, Weaver, and Richards will very likely be the front part of our rotation next season. This means that at least one of Santiago, Heaney, and Shoemaker will not start out the year and/or will be traded. Likely that will be Santiago now that Wilson has cemented his stay.

[Angel Oracle]

Got to hope that Wilson rebounds like he did in 2013 after similar surgery, and then possibly trade him in July 2016 if they need one more piece (LOL) and have someone to take his spot (Newcomb or Skaggs?).

[Inside Pitch]

Not only did I not tout him at the time, I actually expressed my opinion that Dipoto got robbed by giving up Conger, who would be the third or fourth best hitter on our team now.

 

No, no he wouldn't, not even close.  Hank Conger's numbers are being propped up by Minute Maid Park.  Check his splits and then check the HR index there.   It's the HRs that make his overall line look good, and those HRs wouldn't be flying out of Angel Stadium.

 

Hank Conger is the same exact player he has always been -- he just plays his home games in a HR happy park now.   His "neutral park" OPS this year is .570, not that far off of what Connor Gillispie put up while on the Angels..  .594.  A far cry from being the third or fourth best hitter on the Angels this year.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Inside Pitch

[Angel Oracle]

Which makes what Keuchel is doing this season crazy good, and why he needs to be in the discussion not only to win the Cy Young but also to finish high up in MVP voting.

[tomsred]

That is totally true. But it starts with the right GM and trusting him to hire the right manager and minor league director with a PROPER scouting/development budget and not a PATHETIC one.

 

I guess this means you don't want Hal Morris or Scott Servais to be interviewed for the GM position.  I'm curious as to who you want to fill the GM position?  I'm not disagreeing with anything you said.

Edited September 9, 2015 by tomsred

[Inside Pitch]

Which makes what Keuchel is doing this season crazy good, and why he needs to be in the discussion not only to win the Cy Young but also to finish high up in MVP voting.

 

Their entire pitching staff has been amazing.  The HR indexes this year in Minute Made Park are 135/119  LHB/RHB..    For comparison, Coors Field comes in at 111/115.    Despite pitching in a park more HR happy than Coors Field the Astros have allowed the fewest HRs in the AL.

[Angel Oracle]

Their pitching coach >>>>>>> Sleeps like a baby.

[Angel Oracle]

I guess this means you don't want Hal Morris or Scott Servais to be interviewed for the GM position. I'm curious as to who you want to fill the GM position? I'm not disagreeing with anything you said.

Someone not afraid to let Arte Moreno know that he can take care of deciding which players to acquire without Arte's help.

Someone who can oversee Scioscia without giving in to him.

You are NOT the GM, Arte!

Stop making player decisions yourself!

Just STOP it!

Edited September 9, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[TroutCron]

There needs to be a house cleaning for the entire organization. The new GM needs to be able to hire his own manager and organization people. Of course this won't happen with Arte as the owner. My guess the new GM will be Kevin Towers or Dan O'Dowd.

[Stradling]

Someone not afraid to let Arte Moreno know that he can take care of deciding which players to acquire without Arte's help.

Someone who can oversee Scioscia without giving in to him.

You are NOT the GM, Arte!

Stop making player decisions yourself!

Just STOP it!

YEA CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR THREE YEARS ARTE!!!!!! CONTINUE TO NOT SIGN PLAYERS AND CONTINUE TO ALLOW YOUR GM TO DO HIS JOB, JUST LIKE THE LAST THREE YEARS!!! JUST KEEP DOING IT!!!!

[Hollyw00d]

There needs to be a house cleaning for the entire organization. The new GM needs to be able to hire his own manager and organization people. Of course this won't happen with Arte as the owner. My guess the new GM will be Kevin Towers or Dan O'Dowd.

Dont forget jack z

[ettin]

Just saw a mention that Thad Levine will be interviewed. I have to think that the Angels are hoping that if they bring him aboard it will limit the personnel turnover since Servais used to work with Thad? Not sure what their relationship was though so....

[ettin]

Tropeano just needs more time to develop. His changeup is considered a potentially future plus plus pitch and if he can master that in combination with his fastball he'll put up good results.

[Doug Ogilvie]

Who pitches the remaining games if the Angels are eliminated with no extra starting pitchers on the 40 man. Maybe one of the 10 outfielders.

[Homebrewer]

I know this is from a rival website, but here is a pretty flaming indictment of Mike Butcher..

I was going to start a new thread regarding this topic, and if it gets buried in this thread, I might still..

but, for now.. here is:

Do Pitchers Really Perform Better After Leaving Mike Butcher And The Angels?

http://www.halosheaven.com/2015/9/9/9287963/do-pitchers-really-perform-better-after-leaving-mike-butcher-and-the

[Angel Oracle]

I'd clear out the whole coaching staff, Scioscia, Ebel, Butcher, Baylor, Griffin, DiSar, et al.

 

Let the new GM pick his own manager and go from there.    Start all over.   I can handle the 1-2 years adjustment period, as long as the farm is being strengthened at the same time through higher scouting/development budget.

 

But yeah, what the heck did Scioscia see in Hatcher and Butcher?    Dinner buddies?

No one has hired Hatcher since he was removed as hitting coach. 

Edited September 10, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[Angel Oracle]

I'd go with a 6 man rotation for the rest of the season:  Richards, Shoe, Santiago, Heaney, Weaver, and Tropeano.

 

Keep the innings spread out for those not used to 200+ inning seasons.

[Stradling]

I'd clear out the whole coaching staff, Scioscia, Ebel, Butcher, Baylor, Griffin, DiSar, et al.

Let the new GM pick his own manager and go from there. Start all over. I can handle the 1-2 years adjustment period, as long as the farm is being strengthened at the same time through higher scouting/development budget.

But yeah, what the heck did Scioscia see in Hatcher and Butcher? Dinner buddies?

No one has hired Hatcher since he was removed as hitting coach.

I agree

[Inside Pitch]

I know this is from a rival website, but here is a pretty flaming indictment of Mike Butcher..

I was going to start a new thread regarding this topic, and if it gets buried in this thread, I might still..

but, for now.. here is:

Do Pitchers Really Perform Better After Leaving Mike Butcher And The Angels?

http://www.halosheaven.com/2015/9/9/9287963/do-pitchers-really-perform-better-after-leaving-mike-butcher-and-the

 

There is so much statistically painful about the research done in that article...   Starting with the 30 IP sample sizes...

[nando714]

The bullpen has been awful. Smith hasn't been what he was. You can't count on anywhere coming out of there

[Angel Oracle]

Except for Street and maybe Gott