Is Dipoto to blame?

[Docwaukee]

He created this roster.  Is this performance on him or is this catastrophic collapse something that might not have happened if he were still around to further shape the team?

 

Is his ability to get a job this offseason hampered by what has happened to the halos?  ie, will he be held accountable.  

 

My view is that he jumped ship at the perfect time to save himself.  If he were at the helm of this fairly epic disaster, he'd be way worse off.  

 

Thoughts? 

[Stradling]

In a word, yes, and I am a big fan of Dipoto. Obviously there are things that lead to the decisions he made, the bottom line is the team has been flawed since the beginning. No bench, no depth, no speed, no athletisism, very little versatility. Disar was a Jerry hire and he isn't good.

[Tyler]

Hell yes. These are all his moves. Good move for the future in getting Heaney for Kendrick, and maybe they can re-sign Kendrick in the offseason, but that's a big bat to replace in the lineup and when you're back up plan is Rutledge and Giavotella, then you failed miserably. 

 

Dipoto can cry all he wants about the lack of defensive shifts, but this team simply doesn't have the athleticism you need to pull that strategy off. These guys mostly have limited range except for Aybar, Trout, and Calhoun. Perez was supposed to be some beast defensively, don't see it, Kubitza the third base of the future, ha yeah right, and the bullpen is much worse than last season after sending away Jepsen and replacing it with inexperienced youth (Gott, Bedrosian). 

 

The part that really screwed the Angels this season is when he decided to bail a month left before trades can be made. 

[Stradling]

Yea Shane, someone on here showed a stat that we were in the top three in defensive efficiency, rated better than Houston, and we had 250 or so shifts, and the Astros had over 1200 shifts. When you look at our team we don't have great defensive players, but the shifts worked wonders. This is where analytics and Scioscia combined to be better than going strictly off of analytics.

[Hollyw00d]

I believe the team for the most part has given up on scioscia and the season. I dont think its a coincidence that this team has gone into a nosedive since the dipoto incident.

I firmly believe this team wouldn't be so lifeless and directionless if dipoto were still around.

[Hollyw00d]

Dipoto was actively and honestly trying to improve the team and make the players more productive

Scioscia is trying to turn the page and be the first one to get to the post game spread

[OregonLAA]

I'm a Dipoto fan but the offense has been horrid and that's on him. Though I think he would have done more than Victorino/Dejesus at the deadline.

Shane likes to shit all over him but Shane wanted to trade Trumbo for pitching and we got Skaggs AND Santiago for him. Also Shane wouldn't shut up about Cishek for a year and he blows.

[OregonLAA]

Having said that, we had one of the top offenses in baseball last year and took away Kendrick. Just Kendrick. And now we are the worst offense in baseball? Something doesn't add up. That's on the coaches

[Jay]

fresh topic

[halobob]

Having said that, we had one of the top offenses in baseball last year and took away Kendrick. Just Kendrick. And now we are the worst offense in baseball? Something doesn't add up. That's on the coaches

Kendrick and Hamilton

[mp170.6]

Having said that, we had one of the top offenses in baseball last year and took away Kendrick. Just Kendrick. And now we are the worst offense in baseball? Something doesn't add up. That's on the coaches

 

This has happened repeatedly during Scioscia's tenure.  We go from great defense, offense, or pitching one year to mediocre trash the next without good reasons to explain it. 

[Tyler]

I'm a Dipoto fan but the offense has been horrid and that's on him. Though I think he would have done more than Victorino/Dejesus at the deadline.

Shane likes to shit all over him but Shane wanted to trade Trumbo for pitching and we got Skaggs AND Santiago for him. Also Shane wouldn't shut up about Cishek for a year and he blows.

 

Lol what. This makes no sense. Trumbo for pitching is what I wanted.. so?

 

Cishek is what I wanted... he's been filthy for the Cardinals. 

 

Bad examples for calling me out.

[Docwaukee]

you don't go 11-24 because the roster has a little less talent relative to a 98 win season from the previous year.  

 

this is internal.  

[OregonLAA]

Lol what. This makes no sense. Trumbo for pitching is what I wanted.. so?

Cishek is what I wanted... he's been filthy for the Cardinals.

Bad examples for calling me out.

Ya, he did what you wanted yet you're still bitching and acting like you're a better GM than all the ones with real GM jobs

[Guest]

you don't go 11-24 because the roster has a little less talent relative to a 98 win season from the previous year.  

 

this is internal.  

 

At least as much of this has to do with the fact that the division is a lot better than last year. Texas and Houston went from pushover cellar dwellers to division winner and runner up overnight. Seattle improved greatly on paper as well. The current baseball schedule is so unbalanced that being in a weak division is a windfall of easy wins. 

Edited August 30, 2015 by ScottLux

[OregonLAA]

Kendrick and Hamilton

What I should have said was the only good hitter we lost was Kendrick

[Tyler]

Ya, he did what you wanted yet you're still bitching and acting like you're a better GM than all the ones with real GM jobs

 

He couldnt do what I wanted this season because he quit.

[OregonLAA]

Shane and Troll Daddy need their own forum where they just talk to each other and it's the only place they can post

[Tyler]

Shane and Troll Daddy need their own forum where they just talk to each other and it's the only place they can post

 

Sounds better than posting while sitting on Dipoto's lap.

[Guest]

What I should have said was the only good hitter we lost was Kendrick

 

It's not a matter of how good a player is, it's a matter of how much better a player is than his replacement. 

 

As much as we like to hate him, Hamilton > some combinatino of Joyce, DeJesus, Victorino, Green, Murphy, Cowgill, Marte, and Robertson

[OregonLAA]

It's not a matter of how good a player is, it's a matter of how much better a player is than his replacement.

As much as we like to hate him, Hamilton > some combinatino of Joyce, DeJesus, Victorino, Green, Murphy, Cowgill, Marte, and Robertson

Honestly think Navarro/Robertson was a better option. And you can't be better than other players if you don't actually get on the field

[OregonLAA]

Sounds better than posting while sitting on Dipoto's lap.

Ya because I didn't criticize him earlier, dipshit. Are you still a teenager? You must be

[Tyler]

Ya because I didn't criticize him earlier, dipshit. Are you still a teenager? You must be

 

Why do you get so personal? Just put me on ignore and move on.

[tomsred]

Hell yes. These are all his moves. Good move for the future in getting Heaney for Kendrick, and maybe they can re-sign Kendrick in the offseason, but that's a big bat to replace in the lineup and when you're back up plan is Rutledge and Giavotella, then you failed miserably. 

 

Dipoto can cry all he wants about the lack of defensive shifts, but this team simply doesn't have the athleticism you need to pull that strategy off. These guys mostly have limited range except for Aybar, Trout, and Calhoun. Perez was supposed to be some beast defensively, don't see it, Kubitza the third base of the future, ha yeah right, and the bullpen is much worse than last season after sending away Jepsen and replacing it with inexperienced youth (Gott, Bedrosian). 

 

The part that really screwed the Angels this season is when he decided to bail a month left before trades can be made. 

 

I think you are right on the mark Shane.  The fact that he quit and walked away at the worst possible time rankles me the most; great timing for him, very poor timing for the team.  You can't expect someone like Stoneman to come in at that point and do anything significant, he's just trying to keep the club from doing anything rash prior to finding a permanent replacement.  Jerry didn't give Scioscia a team that was suitable to Scioscia's strengths as a manager, i.e. this club was given a stationary offense.  Now we are probably forced to make wholesale changes in the coaching staff, manager, and who knows elsewhere in the front office system.  These kind of changes will likely set us back for more years then they should have under an organized change over at the GM position.  He was better than Reagins, but worse than Stoneman's first tenure as GM.  The original Stoneman had the better instincts, inter personal skills, and stability that Jerry lacks.  Jerry has the tactical skills for the saber metric baseball world (there are many in the baseball world these days who have those kind of skills), but falls short after that.

 

One other thing is that I can't completely blame Arte for this mess (although he made a number of apparent mistakes), when a GM tries to force certain changes on an owner by giving him an ultimatum (do as I want, or I'm gone), I wouldn't necessarily back him either.  It's a collaborative effort, you have to lead people by convincing them your ideas are sound, and will work.        

Edited August 30, 2015 by tomsred

[OregonLAA]

Why do you get so personal? Just put me on ignore and move on.

You took the first swing and now it's personal? Cute