Has Scioscia given up?

[FabulousFabregas]

Certainly seems like he's waving his white (lasagna stained) flag on this game.

[jimbo]

How so?

[HeavenlyHalos]

Richards and the craptastic defense are to blame so far.

[robblin17]

Hopefully. The team sure looks to have given up on him.

[tdawg87]

It looks more like the players have given up. This is an all-around crap fest that seemingly isn't going to end until the season does.

[nando714]

Sosh can do no wrong

[Guest]

How so?

Not reading the scouting reports that he has not been giving to the players.

Strict adherence to matchups based on handedness, even in cases where lefties have better splits against lefties than their platoon mates.

Overusing platoons n general resulting in players not gaining experience against same handed pitchers.

Putting in pitchers like Bedrosian in high leverage situations, then wasting street and Smith in mop up situations.

Insistence on using struggling veterans like Joyce instead of better in house young players

Excessive use of sac bunts and contact plays.

I could go on...

Edited August 23, 2015 by ScottLux

[jimbo]

He said "this game"

[gurn67]

Those of us who remember watching the Angels in August 1999 know what the players are doing.

[robblin17]

I'll trade a quick playoff exit for a fresh, new voice. Every single time because even if this team makes the playoffs they are going nowhere.

The KC's and SF's of years past that snuck in and went on to make a run had way more talent and passion than this team.

[Stradling]

Well we know that Dipoto gave up.

What a shitty ****ing team.

My brother compared it to the Lakers, when they just sit around and wait for Kobe to do something.

[ScottT]

Great question.

[Stradling]

I'll trade a quick playoff exit for a fresh, new voice. Every single time because even if this team makes the playoffs they are going nowhere.

The KC's and SF's of years past that snuck in and went on to make a run had way more talent and passion than this team.

If we make the playoffs we will not go far. We would need crazy frenzied hitting, like in 2002, but it would have to be done with about 25% of the talent. All of you guys that hate Scioscia, you have to hope they don't make the playoffs. If they make the playoffs, he would probably return. If they play like this the rest of the way, I seriously doubt he returns as the manager.

[robblin17]

Well we know that Dipoto gave up.

What a shitty ****ing team.

My brother compared it to the Lakers, when they just sit around and wait for Kobe to do something.

Dipoto never had a chance to do his job. From day one you could tell that was a volatile situation.

[Guest]

If we make the playoffs we will not go far. We would need crazy frenzied hitting, like in 2002, but it would Gabe to be done with about 25% of the talent. All of you guys that hate Scioscia, you have to hope they don't make the playoffs. If they make the playoffs, he would probably return. If they play like this the rest of the way, I seriously doubt he returns as the manager.

That's what everyone said in 2013. He will remain on the roster unless Moreno fires him. If the Angels make the postseason Moreno might even extend him.

[ScottT]

25% of the talent seems a bit off.  I say 17.532%.

 

Because weird ass random numbers made up out of thin air are fun.   I guess.  

[robblin17]

If we make the playoffs we will not go far. We would need crazy frenzied hitting, like in 2002, but it would have to be done with about 25% of the talent. All of you guys that hate Scioscia, you have to hope they don't make the playoffs. If they make the playoffs, he would probably return. If they play like this the rest of the way, I seriously doubt he returns as the manager.

I agree with this. Hoping for the latter at this point.

[FabulousFabregas]

Not firing him after 2012 or 2013 has me convinced they'll never fire him.  Any other major market team would have fired him for missing the playoffs with those teams, especially the 2012 team which had a mostly healthy roster of top level talent.

[Stradling]

Dipoto never had a chance to do his job. From day one you could tell that was a volatile situation.

I will agree that Dipoto was pushed into making a couple of signings, the most expensive ones, even though Jerry told Chuck those were Jerry decisions that he went to Arte with for approval. But Jerry was able to do his job, just not with his manager, which sucks, but Jerry still build the roster, and that roster had little or nothing to do with Scioscia's influence. Jerry brought in Disar, not Scioscia. Jerry brought in all of these under performing players, not Scioscia. Blame Scioscia where it is his fault and blame Jerry for where it is his fault.

[ABC]

He should opt out for his health. He trims down by spring training and then balloons up during the season. 

[Stradling]

Not firing him after 2012 or 2013 has me convinced they'll never fire him. Any other major market team would have fired him for missing the playoffs with those teams, especially the 2012 team which had a mostly healthy roster of top level talent.

I don't know if he will be fired or if he will walk away. My gut says he won't be back next year if this is how the team finishes out the season.

[OregonLAA]

No. He just sucks

[FabulousFabregas]

I don't know if he will be fired or if he will walk away. My gut says he won't be back next year if this is how the team finishes out the season.

 

I don't see Scioscia walking away unless the Dodgers' job opens up.

[nate]

Pujols fell apart and so did this team.  What an epic mess.

 

Pujols said if he couldn't play well anymore he would retire.

 

Time to retire Pujols!

[Stradling]

I don't see Scioscia walking away unless the Dodgers' job opens up.

This is a conversation I have had too many times on here, but why would you want to manage this group of players if you could opt out, almost be guaranteed to manage a stronger roster and get simliar guaranteed money? Sure maybe instead of 3 years and $18 million he would get 4 years and $20 million, so it is less guaranteed money per year.