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1999 Anaheim Angels


gurn67

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Everyone keeps saying they can't remember an Angels team that sucked this bad offensively. I can. The 1999 squad that quit on Terry Collins. That lineup got 139 or more games from Darin Erstad, Troy Glaus, Garret Anderson & Mo Vaughn and yet still did the following:

 

Angels ranking of runs scored by AL clubs per month 1999 season:

 

Apr. 4th

May 13th

Jun 14th

Jul 14th

Aug 12th

Collins resigns in tears

Sep 7th (Team went 19-10 under the guy who should have been hired as the next manager)

 

2015 season:

 

Apr. 9th

May 8th

Jun 10th

Jul 2nd (finished one run behind New York)

Aug 15th (so far)

 

Yes they've been bad recently, but cut down on the hyperbole. This team had 3 mediocre months. 1 great month and horrible stretch of 2 1/2 weeks..

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Terry Collins was an idiot, and can be an emotional wreck (he's mellowed some now after getting banged around a bit), Mike Scioscia is not an idiot.  Scioscia can be stubborn, inflexible and guarded in his decision making, but he believes in his approach and will carrying it along to the end.  With his players, I believe Scioscia is a great communicator and operates with high integrity.  It will be his inflexibility with regard to approach and style that will do him in, he's like a battleship in that regard, and it's hard to get him to make left and right turns on  dime.  Cheer up Scioscia haters, I think your time is coming for a change, I'm not sure it's going to be a good as you think it will be.  But I do agree that's probably the best avenue to take, depending on what Arte does with the baseball operations staff.

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Terry Collins was an idiot, and can be an emotional wreck (he's mellowed some now after getting banged around a bit), Mike Scioscia is not an idiot. Scioscia can be stubborn, inflexible and guarded in his decision making, but he believes in his approach and will carrying it along to the end. With his players, I believe Scioscia is a great communicator and operates with high integrity. It will be his inflexibility with regard to approach and style that will do him in, he's like a battleship in that regard, and it's hard to get him to make left and right turns on dime. Cheer up Scioscia haters, I think your time is coming for a change, I'm not sure it's going to be a good as you think it will be. But I do agree that's probably the best avenue to take, depending on what Arte does with the baseball operations staff.

I'm on board with what you said to a degree. Although, I don't believe he's inflexible at all. It has been less than a year since Scioscia led a good team to the best record in baseball.

Scioscia has a game plan for each individual player. He may be guilty of trusting his players and showing confidence in every player on the team. He's a players coach but is all business. He may need to loosen his bra strap from time to time.

Bottom line is that he was dealt a bad hand this season.

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Terry Collins was an idiot, and can be an emotional wreck (he's mellowed some now after getting banged around a bit), Mike Scioscia is not an idiot.  Scioscia can be stubborn, inflexible and guarded in his decision making, but he believes in his approach and will carrying it along to the end.  With his players, I believe Scioscia is a great communicator and operates with high integrity.  It will be his inflexibility with regard to approach and style that will do him in, he's like a battleship in that regard, and it's hard to get him to make left and right turns on  dime.  Cheer up Scioscia haters, I think your time is coming for a change, I'm not sure it's going to be a good as you think it will be.  But I do agree that's probably the best avenue to take, depending on what Arte does with the baseball operations staff.

As often stated...be careful what you ask for!  You may end up with the next Moose Stubings.

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Angels ranking of runs scored by AL clubs per month 1999 season:

 

Apr. 4th

May 13th

Jun 14th

Jul 14th

Aug 12th

Collins resigns in tears

Sep 7th (Team went 19-10 under the guy who should have been hired as the next manager)

 

As you said, they are 15th in runs this month... The worst they were was 14th in runs in any month in 1999. :-)

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The 1999 team was the worst I personally remember, but at the time expectations were far far lower. The fact that we are performing so poorly in 2015 with some of the most talented players in the game on our roster and an extremely high payroll is far more disappointing. 

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Angels are averaging 3 runs a game in August and are dead last in all of MLB in runs scored this month. This team has been terrible at scoring runs all year except for one stretch before the All Star Break.

yeah, i never bought into the blow out games from july. If it happened in say may, it would be one thing. But as brutal as we were for the 3 months prior...just didnt feel like it would last, and sadly was right.

The problem is we have one badass, one really good and one streaky good guy. The rest is filled by average hitters, replacemdnt level, and poor hitters. None are capable of some kind of hot streak to carry anything on the days trout/calhoun/pujols ont get it done.

It also doesnt help we lost freese..that seems like its hurting us more than we thought....which further shows how sad this team is...

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And now that looks like a bad move. When Pujols was hot it made sense to bump him up to cleanup, except not when you then make Trout rot in the 3-hole. Now that Pujols sucks it makes sense to put him back there and make sure Trout never hits third again.

What I'd like to see is Trout and Calhoun swap positions, so that Trout is no longer batting immediately in front of Pujols. He might then be able to start stealing more bases again like what happened in 2012, and in the second half of 2013 after Pujols went on the DL (therefore was no longer batting immediately behind Trout in the lineup)

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yeah, i never bought into the blow out games from july. If it happened in say may, it would be one thing. But as brutal as we were for the 3 months prior...just didnt feel like it would last, and sadly was right.

The problem is we have one badass, one really good and one streaky good guy. The rest is filled by average hitters, replacemdnt level, and poor hitters. None are capable of some kind of hot streak to carry anything on the days trout/calhoun/pujols ont get it done.

It also doesnt help we lost freese..that seems like its hurting us more than we thought....which further shows how sad this team is...

 

Yep. It's not just how good a player is in absolute terms, it's how good he is compared to your next best option that determines how important that player is to have in your lineup. Now that Featherston is out that means we are actually going to have a third baseman who Scioscia believes is worse than Featherston play  :o

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I'm on board with what you said to a degree. Although, I don't believe he's inflexible at all. It has been less than a year since Scioscia led a good team to the best record in baseball.

Scioscia has a game plan for each individual player. He may be guilty of trusting his players and showing confidence in every player on the team. He's a players coach but is all business. He may need to loosen his bra strap from time to time.

Bottom line is that he was dealt a bad hand this season.

 

He definitely was given crap to work with this year. 

 

I think his concept of turning the page is right on.  Fans on here take it exactly the wrong way, they think the losses don't affect him, that he doesn't and the coaching staff don't learn from them, and that is way off base.  All he is trying to reinforce is don't sit around and think what is going to go wrong by dwelling on circumstances you can no longer control, period.  Successful athletes in all sports, amateur and professional have to stay in the present, focus on what they can control moving forward.  That's a main philosophy in modern sports psychology.

 

There is way too much negative flow on a message board, many fans continue to focus on the past, hammer failure into the ground, and erode all of their confidence in the team.  Nothing wrong with that, it's the nature of the beast.  They don't have to worry about the rod ahead, if it turns out great, fine; if not, it's not their responsibility.  Scioscia and his team can't afford to do that, it would take them out of the present, and kill any chance of any amount of success in the future.

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Yep. It's not just how good a player is in absolute terms, it's how good he is compared to your next best option that determines how important that player is to have in your lineup. Now that Featherston is out that means we are actually going to have a third baseman who Scioscia believes is worse than Featherston play  :o

 

Well, I would hope we see Freese soon, and he's definitely better than Featherston

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And now that looks like a bad move. When Pujols was hot it made sense to bump him up to cleanup, except not when you then make Trout rot in the 3-hole. Now that Pujols sucks it makes sense to put him back there and make sure Trout never hits third again.

 

Unfortunately, the moves that were made at the trade deadline were ones that were predicated on using a platoon system, that's why three players were acquired to fill left or right handed roles at DH and LF.

 

I don't believe there is anything wrong with platooning, all teams do it to one degree or another, depending on how much depth they have.  It fits nicely into the use of advanced metrics in determining lineups.  We just haven't found the right personnel to execute it properly.  In some ways I feel like we have gross problems, and we're addressing them with minor tweeks.

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The 1999 team was the worst I personally remember, but at the time expectations were far far lower. The fact that we are performing so poorly in 2015 with some of the most talented players in the game on our roster and an extremely high payroll is far more disappointing. 

Expectations were actually really high going into the season. The 1998 squad finished 3 games out of first and Disney opened up the bank to land a guy who had finished 5th or higher in the AL MVP voting 3 of the previous 4 years, and a solid innings eater for the rotation. After Mo's opening night injury, I agree expectations immediately lowered.

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If I remember correctly even before the season started things went south rather quickly. Edmonds was hurt and out till August. Disar wasn't paying attention to where he was walking when someone was swinging a bat and hit him right in the arm and broke it. Then the Mo injury. Again that's my recollection but I was only 14 and definitely a season to forget. I might have gotten some details wrong.

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