Dipoto -- Red Sox

[Docwaukee]

 

So if the players quit on Dipoto then isn't that a giant red flag that Dipoto was a big part of the problem? When was the last time you heard of a group of players quitting on a GM. These are guys he brought in for the most part. Look at our roster, how many predate Dipoto? Weaver and Aybar. Everyone here, myself included, believe Scioscia should adapt his style to the type of players he has. Well if Dipoto is rubbing his players the wrong way, shouldn't he adapt or change the way he's communicating? This isn't me taking Scioscia's side, because quite frankly I don't. But it certainly appears the players did. Dipoto quit while under contract, which I don't have any problem with, it's his prerogative. But he should not be allowed to hold a GM position until after next season when his contract runs out, imagine if a manager or a player did that.

 

When have you heard of a situation where the GM has to compete with the Manager for how the team should be run?  

 

Arte set the dynamic where people were essentially forced to choose.  Scioscia is a good clubhouse manager by all accounts and the players are around him 24/7.  

 

When the balance of power is established that the manager doesn't have to listen to the GM, then who do you think the players are going to choose?  

 

You are assuming an appropriate starting point and hierarchy.  There wasn't one.  There were two fiefdoms that were being run in parallel with some overlap.  It's a stupid system that is set for failure.  

 

Once the owner made it clear that no one had to buy what Dipoto was selling, he was done.  

 

I thought Jerry was doing a very good job.  Not perfect by any stretch.  I would have liked to see what he could do under different circumstances.  Yet we are not going to get to see that from any GM we hire.

 

I am probably more annoyed by the fact that the franchise is just being run the wrong way (my perception of course) vs. the loss of Dipoto.  

[Tyler]

 

 

 

When have you heard of a situation where the GM has to compete with the Manager for how the team should be run?  

 

Arte set the dynamic where people were essentially forced to choose.  Scioscia is a good clubhouse manager by all accounts and the players are around him 24/7.  

 

When the balance of power is established that the manager doesn't have to listen to the GM, then who do you think the players are going to choose?  

 

You are assuming an appropriate starting point and hierarchy.  There wasn't one.  There were two fiefdoms that were being run in parallel with some overlap.  It's a stupid system that is set for failure.  

 

Once the owner made it clear that no one had to buy what Dipoto was selling, he was done.  

 

I thought Jerry was doing a very good job.  Not perfect by any stretch.  I would have liked to see what he could do under different circumstances.  Yet we are not going to get to see that from any GM we hire.

 

I am probably more annoyed by the fact that the franchise is just being run the wrong way (my perception of course) vs. the loss of Dipoto.  

 

 

Scioscia is not opposed to using advanced analytics. This is a personal issue between Dipoto and Scioscia stemming from Dipoto firing a member of Mike's coaching staff and him going over Mike's head to to deal with the players. They never had a good working relationship and it's not because he refused to shift as much as Dipoto had wanted.

[yk9001]

Scioscia is not opposed to using advanced analytics.

 

 

Haha - the same Scioscia who had a man-boner for Mickey "Walks are a false stat" Hatcher - he isn't opposed to analytics?

[yk9001]

Going forward whoever hires JD as GM will need to be certain that he is a fit for their organization.

 

Everybody but Arte THE BUSINESS GENIUS Moreno understands that.

[Tyler]

Haha - the same Scioscia who had a man-boner for Mickey "Walks are a false stat" Hatcher - he isn't opposed to analytics?

 

That is correct.

 

It's gotten bad enough this season that Albert Pujols reportedly told Dipoto in a team meeting that "the coaches are working as hard to prepare the players as they did last season, but that the roster is not as strong as it was a year ago."

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report--tension-still-exists-between-mike-scioscia-and-angels--front-office-133844944.html

Edited August 13, 2015 by Shane

[OregonLAA]

I might be wrong but there seem to be sides. Scioscia's side or Dipoto's side. Most people are sick of Scioscia so they take Jerry's side. Jerry could have signed all the worst players in the world and people would still be on his side because it was the opposing side to Scioscia. That includes me too

[Guest]

I might be wrong but there seem to be sides. Scioscia's side or Dipoto's side. Most people are sick of Scioscia so they take Jerry's side. Jerry could have signed all the worst players in the world and people would still be on his side because it was the opposing side to Scioscia. That includes me too

 

The sudden outpouring of support for Dipoto from the second he signed on I believe happened in large part because he was the first GM of the Angels after Reagins left. It's similar to how Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for not being George W Bush.

[70runner]

This experiment, two assertive GMs on the same team, was doomed from the beginning. 

 

Things, at least in the FO, were fine as long as the GM (Stoneman/Reagan) served Scioscia.  Dipoto is a different breed.  Clash was inevitable.  Moreno sided with his 10yr contract manager (as did 10yr contract Pujols - why the hell was he involved?).  That was that.

 

I'm not defending Dipoto, I'd grade him a C+, but he was throttled from the beginning, up against the Scioscia regime.  It was clear Scioscia never recovered from Dipoto dumping Hatcher, stating a couple times he was past that (political speak for he wasn't).

 

Those hoping for an assertive, competent GM...well, which one of them will want to venture into the Scioscia-Moreno-Pujols regime?  Angels have a GM and he fills out the lineup card.     

Edited August 13, 2015 by 70runner

[Jay]

Seems like you have to pick your battles and JD chose badly when he decided to force the issue on the analytics thing.

[seenoevil]

Jerry and scioscia were butting heads the whole time he was here. They got rid of poor Jerry for trying to do his job unfortunately someone else wanted it

[Hollyw00d]

Seems like you have to pick your battles and JD chose badly when he decided to force the issue on the analytics thing.

I wouldn't say he chose badly, it ended up with him leaving the angels toxic situation in the middle of the season and he already has a job with another organization that wants him to be there

If anyone made a bad choice, it'd say its arte Moreno

[Blarg]

Poor Jerry?

[Hollyw00d]

That is correct.

It's gotten bad enough this season that Albert Pujols reportedly told Dipoto in a team meeting that "the coaches are working as hard to prepare the players as they did last season, but that the roster is not as strong as it was a year ago."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report--tension-still-exists-between-mike-scioscia-and-angels--front-office-133844944.html

So, pujols made himself look like an ass by basically shitting on his teammates. And on top of that, he's not even correct. The roster this season is largely the same as last season.

Good stuff

[tennischmp]

I am probably more annoyed by the fact that the franchise is just being run the wrong way (my perception of course) vs. the loss of Dipoto.  

 

This

[Hollyw00d]

Poor Jerry?

Poor angels.

[Homebrewer]

Poor Fans

[Jay]

Poor Fans

 

we're used to it, am I right?

[stormngt]

So, pujols made himself look like an ass by basically shitting on his teammates. And on top of that, he's not even correct. The roster this season is largely the same as last season.

Good stuff

Hamilton? Kendrick?

 

Offensively we are over 20% different.  And if you look at one of our black holes LF it is directly related to Hamilton.

[stormngt]

I wouldn't say he chose badly, it ended up with him leaving the angels toxic situation in the middle of the season and he already has a job with another organization that wants him to be there

If anyone made a bad choice, it'd say its arte Moreno

I am sure he doesn't mind his pay decrease either......Poor Jerry

[Homebrewer]

Sucks that Dipoto sent Hamilton packing after he relapsed, don't it.

F'n Dipoto!

You watched Hamilton "play" last year, man the guy was so awesome.

[full circle]

I think it's likely Moreno was just as big of a problem to deal with as scioscia was for Jerry. Arte is losing his marbles.

[Jay]

I wouldn't say he chose badly, it ended up with him leaving the angels toxic situation in the middle of the season and he already has a job with another organization that wants him to be there

If anyone made a bad choice, it'd say its arte Moreno

 

Even when he loses, he wins!

 

JD is god

[full circle]

Even when he loses, he wins!

JD is god

Haha. Some of you guys just don't get it. It's not about losing Dipoto. It's about what losing Dipoto says about the state of the organization not only now but for the future. It doesn't look good.

[Hollyw00d]

Hamilton? Kendrick?

Offensively we are over 20% different. And if you look at one of our black holes LF it is directly related to Hamilton.

Lol at mentioning Hamilton.

Unbelievable that Jerry didn't use his crystal ball and forsee Joyce coming here and sharting his pants all year. What an idiot.

Yeah it would be nice to have Kendrick and giavotella can't sniff his jock strap, but on the other hand Heaney has been arguably the best starting pitcher this year.

Everything else is essentially the same.

[full circle]

Hamilton ****ed this team twice over and then some. So we can all thank Arte Moreno for that entire mess from beginning to end. It's proving to be too much to overcome for this season.