Cespedes a Met

[Angelsjunky]

According to Bruce Levine.

[Guest]

F'n Dipoto left to early. (I love how my phone now auto corrects to the word "f'n" after spending so much time on this forum)

[bloodbrother]

Metspedes

[zenmaster]

Well, they have one player who can hit now.

[floplag]

I wonder what the equivalent in our system would have been?  a couple of 22-23 year old potential SP?  

As far as i can tell Fulmer was a top 10 in their system but not top SP, highest was about #3 i saw in terms of SP prospects in NYM system... i couldnt find the other guy in the top lists. 

 

This certainly doesnt seem to be the equivalent of a newcomb/trop type deal, more like Ellis and someone down the ladder from him?
 

[Inside Pitch]

I wonder what the equivalent in our system would have been?  a couple of 22-23 year old potential SP?  

As far as i can tell Fulmer was a top 10 in their system but not top SP, highest was about #3 i saw in terms of SP prospects in NYM system... i couldnt find the other guy in the top lists. 

 

This certainly doesnt seem to be the equivalent of a newcomb/trop type deal, more like Ellis and someone down the ladder from him?

 

 

If Fulmer was in the system he'd be right there with Newcomb, most would rate him behind Newcomb by virtue of handedness, but he's a legit talent and well ahead of Tropeano.  He's easy 95 MPH gas and a wipeout slider -- good control.   The guy posted an ERA under 2.00 despite pitching in Birmingham.   His predictive stats are even better than the standard stats.

Edited July 31, 2015 by Inside Pitch

[wopphil]

The purchase prices are insane this year. Absolutely crazy. Glad we passed on all these guys.

[Chuck]

Dipoto, as much as I love him he would have blown up the farm. 

 

I'm good with this. I'm also good with my friend moving on. 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

Dipoto as much as I love him would have blown up the farm. 

 

I'm good with this. I'm also good with my friend moving on. 

 

Chuck you obviously can speak to it better than I can, but do you think he would have really blown up the farm? He was so invested in rebuilding the farm, specifically the young pitching talent, that I couldn't imagine him blowing up the farm. 

[Chuck]

Chuck you obviously can speak to it better than I can, but do you think he would have really blown up the farm? He was so invested in rebuilding the farm, specifically the young pitching talent, that I couldn't imagine him blowing up the farm. 

 

Yes, Dipoto was really competitive. 

 

Fact is, so many people blame Arte for Hamilton and Pujols, but I know better. 

[Stradling]

If he blew up the farm it wouldn't have been for a guy on the last year of his contract. He would have gone after Hamels.

[Chuck]

If he blew up the farm it wouldn't have been for a guy on the last year of his contract. He would have gone after Hamels.

 

Nah, he likes Shoemaker. 

 

It would have been for a big bat. Guaranteed. 

 

We're stuck with C.J. and Weaver. Can we keep Weaver on the DL and C.J. till November?

[Stradling]

Yes, Dipoto was really competitive.

Fact is, so many people blame Arte for Hamilton and Pujols, but I know better.

Are you actually saying that Dipoto, who preaches stats, who quit partly because his information wasn't being shared with the players, was the guy behind Albert and Hamilton? If that were the case then my guess is he wouldn't have had two options picked up.

[Chuck]

Are you actually saying that Dipoto, who preaches stats, who quit partly because his information wasn't being shared with the players, was the guy behind Albert and Hamilton? If that were the case then my guess is he wouldn't have had two options picked up.

 

 

Yes.

[Stradling]

Ok, so he wasn't a stat head.

[Chuck]

Yes.

 

There's stats, then there's lifetime accomplishments and proven talent.

 

Dipoto was a fan of that. I can't blame him. I mean, it's not like he was signing Cecil Fielder, Von Hayes, Eddie Murray and Dave Parker.

[Chuck]

Dipoto was an honest man.

 

Arte NEVER made him do ANYTHING. 

 

He approached Arte about Pujols, C.J. and Hamilton, Arte approved.

 

It's not like Arte is making phone calls. lol

[Chuck]

That said, Dipoto wasn't happy with Arte's decision re: Hamilton..

 

That's all I'm going to say.

 

Goodbye.

 

It's my birthday tomorrow so I'm going to start drinking, NOW! 

[Stradling]

Yes, but why was so much made about Arte visiting both Hamilton and Pujols. Oh and I am pretty sure we heard that Arte called Albert and Albert was won over by the vision of being a partner with Arte.

[Jobu]

Yes, but why was so much made about Arte visiting both Hamilton and Pujols. Oh and I am pretty sure we heard that Arte called Albert and Albert was won over by the vision of being a partner with Arte.

It's possible that both versions can be true.

[jimbo]

"Blowing up the farm" is really hard to do when most execs from MLB consider it garbage.

[Stradling]

"Blowing up the farm" is really hard to do when most execs from MLB consider it garbage.

So we should trade what little of a farm we do have?

[Jobu]

Chuck's the only guy who drinks TO STOP spilling the beans...

[ukyah]

Chuck's the only guy who drinks TO STOP spilling the beans...

 

that's such a good line. golf claps all around.

[Guest]

Yes.

So if Arte didn't unilaterally acquire Hamilton and Pujols (a major element of Angels narrative canon) then who ordered Hamilton to be included on the ALDS roster, and who ordered him to bat fourth in a series of must-win games despite not playing in more than a month?

Edited July 31, 2015 by ScottLux