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I hate to say it, but Kirby mainly made the Hall of Fame because he retired so early due to glaucoma and because he was beloved. He was very good, and might have made it anyways, but he's borderline Hall of Fame, in my opinion. But a .318 career average is rather sexy.

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I second that.

The thing is he is getting event better. Yes, he has sacrificed a lot of his game for power and I don't think je will go back to being a 50 stolen base guy but I think that he will definately be a .310 hitter with 40 + homeruns yearly. Last year, he established himself as a power hitter, and this year he's 9 homeruns away from last year with still a bit under half of the year to play.

I wonder what his stats were through july 20th of last year as compared to today. Regardless, he will finish better this year unless he goes through another slump like last year's all-star break.

I think that a lot of the worry about trouts future (and the thought that he may become into a great player as opposed to immortal) was because he failed to adjust last year. It hasn't affected him at all this year though so it seems to me like there is no correlation from last year's post all-star break performance to his future performance. Crazy thing is, hes actually gotten better. His OPS+ this year is at his career high, even more so than his already legendary seasons.

As he gets older, i think that he will grow his ability to distinguish balls and strikes and his obp will rise. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 50+ hr, .320/.420/.620 in the future if he hasn't already peeked. That's UNHEARD of today.

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Trout's 2014 stats through July 20: .313/.400/.612 with 23 HR. Surprisingly similar to this year, although less HR but more doubles (29) and triples (5). He also actually had one more SB at this point last year.

 

Knock on wood, but this is around the time that Trout started to slump last year. From July 21 on he hit .252/.344/.495 with 12 HR in 256 PA, and a whopping 29.7% K rate.

 

Trout has actually improved throughout the season this year. His monthly stats:

Apr/Mar: .329/.447/.592 with 5 HR in 94 PA

May: .272/.331/.509 with 7 HR in 124 PA

June: .320/.412/.660 with 8 HR in 114 PA

July: .333/.444/.800 with 7 HR in 54 PA

 

What I like to see there is that in all but one month he has hit .320 or higher, which makes me think that we're back to .300+ batting averages.

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I thought this was worth sharing. My favorite player of the 90s, and the player that up until a few years ago could be considered "Mr Angel" and arguably the best outfielder they've ever had, is none other than Tim Salmon (Edmonds was as good, and better as a Cardinal, but I'm talking total career as an Angel). Salmon accrued a total of 35.5 fWAR in 1672 games played - a solid career that puts him in the Hall of the Very Good.

 

Now here is where it gets crazy. Salmon made his major league debut on August 21, three days shy of his 24th birthday. Keep that in mind.

Let's move on to Mr. Trout. On August 7 he will turn 24 years old. On August 4, Trout will be the same age that Salmon was when he played his first major league game. Digest that.

 

Hold onto your seats. Trout currently has 35.0 fWAR, 0.5 fWAR less than Salmon's entire career. Yes, that's right - Trout is about a two-homer game away from equaling Salmon's career output. Unless he slumps terribly, Mike Trout should surpass Tim Salmon's career total in fWAR before the age that Salmon played his first major league game, which would be August 4. Right now, Trout's played 583 games - a bit more than a third of Salmon's career (34.9%, to be exact).

 

Let me put it another way, and more succinctly:

 

Mike Trout has already provided as much total value to his team in his 583 games of play, as Tim Salmon did for his entire career of 1672 games, and all before the age that Salmon played his first major league game.

 

I don't know about you, but that just blows my mind.

 

p.s. I nominate my own post for Trout Porn Post of the Year.

 

 

Wow. 

 

This is going up on the Blog for our external readers on social media. 

 

Great research, AJ. 

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Yeah this Trout passing Salmon, who is pretty mediocre in my book, has been all over the place the last week.

I always thought Grich was Mr Angel, after Fregosi was. I guess it's a generational thing.

 

I'm getting to be somewhat old, but evidently you're old as ****.

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Trout has had one hit in his last 12 at bats. He is on track for another 170 strikeout season. I'd like a list of all the hall of famers that averaged 170 strike outs per season. Not sure where you are going to find those guys. It wan'ts Aaron, Mays, Mantle or DiMaggio.

 

Remember how Guerrero would swing for the fences and looked like a wild man up there chasing everything? He only struck out about 65 times a season. He never let pitchers throw him first ball fastball center plate and stare at it... wait, let me amend that, if a pitcher threw him first pitch fastball center plate he would stare at it leaving the yard.

 

It is sticking point for me, watching him sit on first pitches and pitchers putting him behind in the count every at bat. Every at bat he has to dig out of a hole while the best pitch he will see all game passes him by 3 to 4 times a game.

 

I just don't see him maintaining an elite status playing the game stacking the odds against himself.

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Trout has had one hit in his last 12 at bats. He is on track for another 170 strikeout season. I'd like a list of all the hall of famers that averaged 170 strike outs per season. Not sure where you are going to find those guys. It wan'ts Aaron, Mays, Mantle or DiMaggio.

 

Remember how Guerrero would swing for the fences and looked like a wild man up there chasing everything? He only struck out about 65 times a season. He never let pitchers throw him first ball fastball center plate and stare at it... wait, let me amend that, if a pitcher threw him first pitch fastball center plate he would stare at it leaving the yard.

 

It is sticking point for me, watching him sit on first pitches and pitchers putting him behind in the count every at bat. Every at bat he has to dig out of a hole while the best pitch he will see all game passes him by 3 to 4 times a game.

 

I just don't see him maintaining an elite status playing the game stacking the odds against himself.

 

wait, is this a serious post? did you just start off by pointing to a 12 at-bat sample size?

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Trout has had one hit in his last 12 at bats. He is on track for another 170 strikeout season. I'd like a list of all the hall of famers that averaged 170 strike outs per season. Not sure where you are going to find those guys. It wan'ts Aaron, Mays, Mantle or DiMaggio.

Remember how Guerrero would swing for the fences and looked like a wild man up there chasing everything? He only struck out about 65 times a season. He never let pitchers throw him first ball fastball center plate and stare at it... wait, let me amend that, if a pitcher threw him first pitch fastball center plate he would stare at it leaving the yard.

It is sticking point for me, watching him sit on first pitches and pitchers putting him behind in the count every at bat. Every at bat he has to dig out of a hole while the best pitch he will see all game passes him by 3 to 4 times a game.

I just don't see him maintaining an elite status playing the game stacking the odds against himself.

Mays struck out over 100 times one year. That same year he led the NL in walks and OBP with a .907 OPS.

Oh yeah, one more thing, he was 40.

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I thought this was worth sharing. My favorite player of the 90s, and the player that up until a few years ago could be considered "Mr Angel" and arguably the best outfielder they've ever had, is none other than Tim Salmon (Edmonds was as good, and better as a Cardinal, but I'm talking total career as an Angel). Salmon accrued a total of 35.5 fWAR in 1672 games played - a solid career that puts him in the Hall of the Very Good.

 

Now here is where it gets crazy. Salmon made his major league debut on August 21, three days shy of his 24th birthday. Keep that in mind.

Let's move on to Mr. Trout. On August 7 he will turn 24 years old. On August 4, Trout will be the same age that Salmon was when he played his first major league game. Digest that.

 

Hold onto your seats. Trout currently has 35.0 fWAR, 0.5 fWAR less than Salmon's entire career. Yes, that's right - Trout is about a two-homer game away from equaling Salmon's career output. Unless he slumps terribly, Mike Trout should surpass Tim Salmon's career total in fWAR before the age that Salmon played his first major league game, which would be August 4. Right now, Trout's played 583 games - a bit more than a third of Salmon's career (34.9%, to be exact).

 

Let me put it another way, and more succinctly:

 

Mike Trout has already provided as much total value to his team in his 583 games of play, as Tim Salmon did for his entire career of 1672 games, and all before the age that Salmon played his first major league game.

 

I don't know about you, but that just blows my mind.

 

p.s. I nominate my own post for Trout Porn Post of the Year.

 

If you ignore the unreliable if not outright nonsensical defensive component of WAR, the pitcure is even more impressive.

 

Fregosi, Downing, and Grich drop considerably in the all time Angels franchise standings, and Tim Salmon is number 1 and Trout is second. Trout will likely overtake Salmon to become the most valuable offensive player in Angels franchise history in about a month. 

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wait, is this a serious post? did you just start off by pointing to a 12 at-bat sample size?

 

The 12 at bats was a joke to needle AJ and his Trout porn updates. But the rest is serious, Trout is not stacking up to the greats when it comes to making best use of his at bats. Everyone wants to talk stats then turn a blind eye to strikeout totals as if they don't factor, especially when they are directly related to letting the pitched take the advantage every at bat.

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The 12 at bats was a joke to needle AJ and his Trout porn updates. But the rest is serious, Trout is not stacking up to the greats when it comes to making best use of his at bats. Everyone wants to talk stats then turn a blind eye to strikeout totals as if they don't factor, especially when they are directly related to letting the pitched take the advantage every at bat.

Don't bad mouth an Angel Eric, you will be labeled "dumb" and worse.

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The 12 at bats was a joke to needle AJ and his Trout porn updates. But the rest is serious, Trout is not stacking up to the greats when it comes to making best use of his at bats. Everyone wants to talk stats then turn a blind eye to strikeout totals as if they don't factor, especially when they are directly related to letting the pitched take the advantage every at bat.

 

How does Trout compare to other all time great hitters in double plays grounded into?

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