I don't know about you guys...

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

But I can't wait for Trout to overtake Harper in WAR.

There needs to be a Trout Mang thread - not enough appreciation for this guy. Seriously he's a superhero.

[seenoevil]

trout explosion is coming

[Guest]

But I can't wait for Trout to overtake Harper in WAR.

There needs to be a Trout Mang thread - not enough appreciation for this guy. Seriously he's a superhero.

 

4.54 - Harper

3.93 - Goldschmidt

3.23 - Trout

 

 

After three straight years leading MLB, this time Trout is pretty far behind Harper and Goldschmidt in Offensive WAR (Defensive WAR is BS)

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Oh Ye of little faith as Trout his bomb #2

[wopphil]

It's pretty ridiculous that the guy has a near 1.000 OPS, playing excellent defense at a premium position. And he is 23.

[HeavenlyHalos]

4.54 - Harper

3.93 - Goldschmidt

3.23 - Trout

 

 

After three straight years leading MLB, this time Trout is pretty far behind Harper and Goldschmidt in Offensive WAR (Defensive WAR is BS)

 

Are those numbers via fangraphs? 

 

Baseball reference oWAR:

 

Harper: 5.2

Trout: 4.9

Goldy: 4.8

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Why does Harper jump up to 6.1 and Trout only to 5.2 in total war?

[Guest]

Why does Harper jump up to 6.1 and Trout only to 5.2 in total war?

According to Baseball Reference, Harper is far above average defensively. According to Fangraphs, he's far below average defensively. 

 

Not long before the all star break in 2013 Baseball Reference considered Trout average. Fangraphs considered him the worst defensive player in baseball. Hence my earlier comment: Defensive WAR = BS

Edited July 9, 2015 by ScottLux

[dream_weaver]

Harper is not far below average according to Fangraphs. Actually, he is 0.1 above average. 

[dream_weaver]

Fangraphs bases its defense off of UZR, but in its little defense tab it takes into account positional adjustments for hitting (a good hitting second baseman is worth more than a player who hits just as well at first base). So to look at defensive WAR, look at the UZR stat on Fangraphs. And Trout was actually not even close to being the worst defensive player in baseball by fangraphs last year, but he was not rated well because of his arm and range.

[WallyWorld]

Harper and Goldschmidt are both having pretty insane years. One of them will win MVP (Harper) and the other is going to have as good a season you'll see without winning MVP.

Trout has a good shot at AL MVP, having partially to do with Cabrera's injury and the fact that Harper and Goldy are both in the NL.

[SoWhat]

Defensive metrics are trash.

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Harper and Goldschmidt are both having pretty insane years. One of them will win MVP (Harper) and the other is going to have as good a season you'll see without winning MVP.

Trout has a good shot at AL MVP, having partially to do with Cabrera's injury and the fact that Harper and Goldy are both in the NL.

 

Still won't make up for Trout getting screwed in past years. 

[fan_since79]

Trout has 122 HR and 357 RBI and he's 23 years old. He's also scored 437 runs.

 

Let that sink in for a moment.

Edited July 9, 2015 by fan_since79

[Chuck]

Who gives a shit? Trout > Harper the past three years. By a landslide

[Don]

Who gives a shit? Trout > Harper the past three years. By a landslide

True. I'd still rather have Trout overall, but Harper is doing some peak Bonds type of stuff this year.

[TroutField]

True. I'd still rather have Trout overall, but Harper is doing some peak Bonds type of stuff this year.

Have you seen juiced up Barry's numbers? Harper isn't even on the same planet.

[Don]

Have you seen juiced up Barry's numbers? Harper isn't even on the same planet.

He's not as far off as you might think. Bonds' OPS+ from 2000-2004 averaged out at 242. Harper this year, 223. So, maybe he's not quite up to snuff with Bonds, but he's close. .343/.471/.709 is pretty sick in today's game.

Edited July 9, 2015 by Don

[fan_since79]

He's on a pace to hit 52 HR and drive in 125 runs this year. Great numbers, but not quite up to Bonds' best years.

[tdawg87]

True but you can't really compare those numbers in a vacuum. Bonds was hitting during the juiced up offensive era, whereas Harper is doing this during a pitcher's era. The OPS+ is pretty telling.

 

Why are we talking about Harper in this thread anyway?

[fan_since79]

True but you can't really compare those numbers in a vacuum. Bonds was hitting during the juiced up offensive era, whereas Harper is doing this during a pitcher's era. The OPS+ is pretty telling.

 

Why are we talking about Harper in this thread anyway?

 

Because some (confused) people think he's better than Trout.

[tdawg87]

In that case wake me up when Harper does this for 3 full seasons in a row.

[robblin17]

Harper will fade. He will suffer the "post HR Derby" slump.

[WallyWorld]

Because some (confused) people think he's better than Trout.

 

I don't think anyone has said he's better than Trout. But at this point he's had a better 2015 than Trout, as has Goldschmidt. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Yeah but neither harper or goldschmidt had dipoto around screwing things up. Trouts gonna take off now

Harpers WAR whould decrease after that photo shoot by the way