Polygamy - Time for it to be legalized?

[juansavage1]

What are you basing the "latest thing" on? Is it actual non-biased research, or are we talking about Christian views?

 

As far as I know, gayness being inborn is still what is generally accepted to be inborn.

 

Now the problem with your argument about "anti-natural law people are the new racists" is that so-called "anti-natural law" people aren't trying to dictate your lifestyle or not give you equal rights.

 

This is very simple, Juan: Are gay people equal? Should they be given equal rights as straight people? I think that Christians and "natural law" people should be given equal rights, just that their religious beliefs shouldn't dictate the lives of people who don't believe in their religious beliefs.

 

And yes, it is about going forward, about being progressive. Abolishing slavery was progress. Women getting the right to vote was progress. De-segregation was progress. And gay marriage is progress. Why? Because it is granting equal rights to more people and giving them greater freedom.

I can't find the article right now, but gay advocates are calling to abandon the strictly born gay argument, admitting that it was a tactic in the battle.

 

My own feeling is that effeminate behavior can be deep seated in men, meaning that it could have been some developmental or psychological trauma. This is different from having sex with men which has been more or less popular in different cultures. What happened with the Christian revolution is that the Romans and Greeks (later, the Japanese whose warriors always had boys around to bone) abandoned the casual gayness in their culture so that only the deep-seated gays continued to practice gayness.

 

In women, it's either political, choice, or some trauma with men. It's not inborn.

 

Gay people have always had equal rights. I think the next civil rights battle is ensuring that children have both of their parents. It's their civil rights. You're against it just like people used to be for slavery.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Juan Savage

[Lou]

We used to call the chicks in Montana, "Montuffalo".

 

Just say'n

haven't read the entire thread, but i hope this got the love it deserved

[Blarg]

I love that you used Glen and Geoff as an example.

 

Adam now thinks Glen is cheating on him.

[Blarg]

It used to be Glen and Adam. Now it's Glen and Geoff. I'm a board slut.

 

Well, you used to be in the Navy which made you the on board slut.

[Blarg]

Juan's bands name is the "Baseless Statsmen."

 

Sounds too folk revival which equates to liberalism which equates to not Juan Savage.

 

That's what he thought and so it was changed to The Plausible Denialabilties.

[Tank]

That's what he thought and so it was changed to The Plausible Denialabilties.

They play rockabilly.

[TobiasFunke]

I can't find the article right now, but gay advocates are calling to abandon the strictly born gay argument, admitting that it was a tactic in the battle.

My own feeling is that effeminate behavior can be deep seated in men, meaning that it could have been some developmental or psychological trauma. This is different from having sex with men which has been more or less popular in different cultures. What happened with the Christian revolution is that the Romans and Greeks (later, the Japanese whose warriors always had boys around to bone) abandoned the casual gayness in their culture so that only the deep-seated gays continued to practice gayness.

In women, it's either political, choice, or some trauma with men. It's not inborn.

Gay people have always had equal rights. I think the next civil rights battle is ensuring that children have both of their parents. It's their civil rights. You're against it just like people used to be for slavery.

What's it like knowing so much about the world Juan?

[juansavage1]

What's it like knowing so much about the world Juan?

It's both a blessing and a curse.

[TobiasFunke]

It's both a blessing and a curse.

Kinda like AIDS

[Vegas Halo Fan]

I find it interesting that he makes the statement that liberals "try to shut down debate to consolidate gains", when generally it is conservatives who want their choice to be the only one available. Example: Abortion. Conservatives want it to be unavailable under any circumstance. Liberals want for it to be an option, but they don't try to compel anyone to get one. Conservatives tried to shut down Planned Parenthood, which was helping to prevent conception in the first place.

 

I am all for freedom of choice. I am against limiting choice to one option.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Vegas Halo Fan]

[Crampknees]

My own feeling is that effeminate behavior can be deep seated in men

 

You have displayed this on more than one occasion.  We don't judge here, come out, come out, wherever you are. 

[Tank]

I find it interesting that he makes the statement that liberals "try to shut down debate to consolidate gains", when generally it is conservatives who want their choice to be the only one available. Example: Abortion. Conservatives want it to be unavailable under any circumstance. Liberals want for it to be an option, but they don't try to compel anyone to get one. Conservatives tried to shut down Planned Parenthood, which was helping to prevent conception in the first place.

 

I am all for freedom of choice. I am against limiting choice to one option.

 

my Facebook feed every week has memes about how republicans have screwed this country six ways to sunday or how barry is one of the best presidents we've ever had because look at all his accomplishments. i have seen almost zero memes lauding the accomplishments of republicans or how awful the dems have been.

 

i know this is anecdotal evidence, but i see far more from the dems than i do from repubs. far more.

 

that being said, i don't agree with any of the "all or none" kind of memes that are out there. both sides have screwed all of us multiple times, and both are guilty of pretty much the same things they accuse the other side of doing to sabotage the country.

[halobob]

What if 3 or 4 or 5 gay dudes all want to be married to each other?  The only polygamy I've seen discussed so far is between men and women.

[mtangelsfan]

I find it interesting that he makes the statement that liberals "try to shut down debate to consolidate gains", when generally it is conservatives who want their choice to be the only one available. Example: Abortion. Conservatives want it to be unavailable under any circumstance. Liberals want for it to be an option, but they don't try to compel anyone to get one. Conservatives tried to shut down Planned Parenthood, which was helping to prevent conception in the first place.

 

I am all for freedom of choice. I am against limiting choice to one option.

 

Please, abortion rights advocates are continually trying to shut down pro-life clinics.  This is not debatable.  

[halobob]

Please, abortion rights advocates are continually trying to shut down pro-life clinics.  This is not debatable.  

Forgive my ignorance but what is a pro-life clinic and what do they do?

[mtangelsfan]

the clinic my wife and I volunteer at, and a majority of ones I know of, give free ultrasounds, pregnancy counseling and parenting training.  We have a trained nurse who performs the ultrasounds .  

 

No scary pictures, no propaganda, we just simply do not refer for abortions.  

[Vegas Halo Fan]

the clinic my wife and I volunteer at, and a majority of ones I know of, give free ultrasounds, pregnancy counseling and parenting training.  We have a trained nurse who performs the ultrasounds .  

 

No scary pictures, no propaganda, we just simply do not refer for abortions.  

 

Not everyone is that ethical. There have been bills passed in some states requiring doctors to lie to patients about effects of abortions in an attempt to get women to forgo them. If you can't overturn the law, at least give our false information about it.

 

The GOP’s anti-abortion tactic: Order teachers and doctors to lie

 

For the record, I'm pro-life and I would like to see abortions curtailed, especially those done as a matter of convenience. That said, I don't believe that I have the right to force that decision on anyone.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Vegas Halo Fan

[mtangelsfan]

as ethical as taking money to kill human beings?

 

regardless, lets not pretend the left is any less interested in controlling the thoughts and behaviors of others.

[Spirit]

What if 3 or 4 or 5 gay dudes all want to be married to each other?  The only polygamy I've seen discussed so far is between men and women.

 

You let the 3 or 4 or 5 dudes get married.  

[juansavage1]

Cartoons are only funny if its based on truth. I've never heard any Christian want to force somebody to serve them.

[Spirit]

I took my wife out to dinner tonight.  I'm really glad our waitress was there to serve us our meal. 

 

Sincerely, 

A Christian 

[halobob]

the clinic my wife and I volunteer at, and a majority of ones I know of, give free ultrasounds, pregnancy counseling and parenting training.  We have a trained nurse who performs the ultrasounds .  

 

No scary pictures, no propaganda, we just simply do not refer for abortions.  

Awesome, I didn't know that places like this existed.  Glad to hear you are doing good work for people who need it. 

[arch stanton]

Devout Christians have been taking care of people who need it for about 2 millennia.

[RallyMo]

my Facebook feed every week has memes about how republicans have screwed this country six ways to sunday or how barry is one of the best presidents we've ever had because look at all his accomplishments. i have seen almost zero memes lauding the accomplishments of republicans or how awful the dems have been.

Come to Texas. Make some friends. Add them on Facebook. Your view will change.