Sociology prof: "Whiteness is terror."

[nate]

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/03/the_prevalence_1.html

elf-identified Marxists are rare in academe today. The highest proportion of Marxist academics can be found in the social sciences, and there they represent less than 18 percent of all professors (among the social science fields for which we can issue discipline-specific estimates, sociology contains the most Marxists, at 25.5 percent)

These are self identified Marxists. The percentage who sympathize with some Marxist ideals is higher and I'll find those for you later.

I love to be doubted like this because it doubles the effect of the information.

 

 

The most fascinating thing about this, is that it is a research paper bread bred from the McCarthy era.  The Lazarsfeld’s survey they are using was developed in the 50's to weed out communists in our universities.

Edited July 6, 2015 by nate

[mtangelsfan]

Nate needs to go back to college so he can remember when to use "bred" and "bread".

 

Second time in a week.

 

LOL

[nate]

My Marxist teachers weren't great at teaching grammar apparently.

[mtangelsfan]

F'n Lenin.

[Adam]

College was just busy work for the most part. 

[Tank]

I had to take several social studies classes in college... and I went to a pretty damn liberal college.  None of my professors ever called themselves Marxists.

 

i was a social studies major, but we studied history and stayed away from sociology kinds of issues.

 

unless, of course, my professors were a heck of a lot more clever than any of us realized at the time.

[juansavage1]

He never gave his opinion on religion, just taught it as history.

 

They were offended that he stated many of the stories in the bible existed long before the bible did in so called "Pagan" religions.

Well, those are just facts and their anger was unjustified. Up until Abraham, the Jews used stories from the surrounding culture to tell theological truths.

[juansavage1]

"The ones I find now are 25% social science professors self identify as Marxists. I think the one I saw before said that half of professors are somewhat Marxist "

 

You made up the 50% number. Just made it up and now can't find any obscure link to validate your phony statements. I'm sure you will obfuscate with another statement but it falls on deaf ears.

 

It's funny that you're accusing me of lying by lying. The study was from 2007 and by two prominent sociologists. Here's how I got the numbers.

 

First look at the chart below:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByXDCzqyrr-pSFI5bU5mcHMxWkk/view?usp=sharing

 

Now, read this from the study:

 

But who are academic radicals, and what do they believe? This is a diverse category, encompassing social democrats, radical feminists, radical environmentalists, the occasional postmodernist—and yes, some Marxists. All told, about 43 percent of radical professors say that the term “Marxist” describes them at least somewhat well. (About 5 percent of American professors, over all, consider themselves Marxists

 

So, we have about 25% of sociology professors who are outright Marxists. That's 5% more than general social sciences. A further 43% of radical professors in all social sciences are somewhat Marxists. In the social sciences in general that would mean another 10-11%. Add a little more for sociology specifically and we get about 30% for general social sciences and close to 40% for sociology specifically. These are people who are wholly or partly Marxist and admit to it. My own idea is that the rest of the activists and radicals are strongly influenced by Marxism.

 

So, let's return to my original statement:

 

Shes not a kook. The way she thinks is mainstream soft science thought. Remember,the Marxist idea of dialectic emphasizes opposition, whether it's rich-poor, race versus race, or male-female.

If you see these statements through that philosophy, it all kind of makes sense.

If you think that sounds dumb, polls of professors show that more than half sympathize with Marxism.

 

So, I said more than half of "soft science" professors sympathize with Marxism. It's really 20-25% are actual Marxists, another 10-15% who describe their philosophy as Marxist, and others who are either radical or activists. I'll put forward that many of the radical or activists subscribe to some tenets of Marxism. Over 60% of social science professors are either activists, radicals, or Marxists. Anyhow, I said over 50% AT LEAST SYMPATHIZE with Marxism. The truth is that AT LEAST 30% of social science and perhaps 40% in sociology declare that they sympathize with Marxism.

 

This was pretty accurate for a memory a couple of years old.

[Adam]

Do people read entire posts longer than 5 sentences?

[the dude abides]

Do people read entire posts longer than 5 sentences?

Rarely.

Curious as to how much time/effort goes into posts like that compared to how many people actually read them.

[the dude abides]

Truth be told, I'd be much more interested if he were to post videos of instances where he was called upon to rock and ended up delivering mightily.

[Adam]

The ones on the baseball board.... Some dudes

Must spend 30 minutes drafting their "Aybar should hit 7th" theses.

[TobiasFunke]

The ones on the baseball board.... Some dudes

Must spend 30 minutes drafting their "Aybar should hit 7th" theses.

Haha

[juansavage1]

The answer is too much. I don't mind as long as I'm either learning or getting a point across. I had a board I ran for my friends and me that I gave up on because it was just arguing and lying.

Some of you may not have known how influential Marxism is in the social studies and I didn't realize that it isn't sometimes as easy as going with a righty versus a lefty or that it's not good to either aim pitches or overthrow.

Edited July 7, 2015 by Juan Savage

[Tank]

Do people read entire posts longer than 5 sentences?

 

no, not really.

 

 

 

*apologies to catwhoshat

[TobiasFunke]

I had a board I ran for my friends and me that I gave up on because it was just arguing and lying.

Ya don't say???????

[Glen]

The answer is too much. I don't mind as long as I'm either learning or getting a point across. I had a board I ran for my friends and me that I gave up on because it was just arguing and lying.

Some of you may not have known how influential Marxism is in the social studies and I didn't realize that it isn't sometimes as easy as going with a righty versus a lefty or that it's not good to either aim pitches or overthrow.

What points, or even point, have you gotten across so far on this board?

[Glen]

Do people read entire posts longer than 5 sentences?

It's like when I click on a link and it's a goddamned slide show. Nope.

[Jay]

What points, or even point, have you gotten across so far on this board?

You failed to understand them the first time so now you're asking him to repeat?

Edited July 7, 2015 by Jay

[TobiasFunke]

You never see Jay and Juan in the same room together

[juansavage1]

Several, Glen. The one on this thread is how the influence of Marxism in the social science explains the professor's attitude.

We're you aware of that, Glen?

What points, or even point, have you gotten across so far on this board?

[Blarg]

It's funny that you're accusing me of lying by lying. The study was from 2007 and by two prominent sociologists. Here's how I got the numbers.

 

First look at the chart below:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByXDCzqyrr-pSFI5bU5mcHMxWkk/view?usp=sharing

 

Now, read this from the study:

 

 

So, we have about 25% of sociology professors who are outright Marxists. That's 5% more than general social sciences. A further 43% of radical professors in all social sciences are somewhat Marxists. In the social sciences in general that would mean another 10-11%. Add a little more for sociology specifically and we get about 30% for general social sciences and close to 40% for sociology specifically. These are people who are wholly or partly Marxist and admit to it. My own idea is that the rest of the activists and radicals are strongly influenced by Marxism.

 

So, let's return to my original statement:

 

 

So, I said more than half of "soft science" professors sympathize with Marxism. It's really 20-25% are actual Marxists, another 10-15% who describe their philosophy as Marxist, and others who are either radical or activists. I'll put forward that many of the radical or activists subscribe to some tenets of Marxism. Over 60% of social science professors are either activists, radicals, or Marxists. Anyhow, I said over 50% AT LEAST SYMPATHIZE with Marxism. The truth is that AT LEAST 30% of social science and perhaps 40% in sociology declare that they sympathize with Marxism.

 

This was pretty accurate for a memory a couple of years old.

 

Juan, let's start off with you haven't provided any source for your material. So if this was a Poli-Sci exam in a 101 class the professor would send you back to English 101 to learn how to create a bibliography. We just require a link and not to some google doc you made up.

 

 

If you think that sounds dumb, polls of professors show that more than half sympathize with Marxism.

 

Your made up stats does not support your statement. First off you are obfuscating by saying that your study (which you've provided no source) says 43% of Radicalized Professors (a unknown quantity within the actual field of all professors) say that Marxisim describes them somewhat. We have found on this website that depending upon Poll questions members are described as liberals and socialist when in fact they are not but the questions led to that result. My recent Presidential candidate poll put me as 69% Saunders and 67% Ted Cruz. So am I a socialist or a radicalized conservative? Maybe I'm a Marxist but that wasn't a poll option.

 

Your true number (from unconfirmed sources) said 5% of radicalized professors were affirmed Marxist. That is 5% of a sub culture. Not 50% of professors but 5% of a sub culture of radicalized professors. That is a very small percentage of even the radicalized let alone all professors. 

 

Using your math, ISIS, which has a standing army of a little over 60,000, represents half of the two billion Muslims in the world. Congrats of failing statistics so brilliantly you are ready to be Scioscia's right hand man.

Edited July 7, 2015 by notti

[juansavage1]

Juan, let's start off with you haven't provided any source for your material. So if this was a Poli-Sci exam in a 101 class the professor would send you back to English 101 to learn how to create a bibliography. We just require a link and not to some google doc you made up.

Your made up stats does not support your statement. First off you are obfuscating by saying that your study (which you've provided no source) says 43% of Radicalized Professors (a unknown quantity within the actual field of all professors) say that Marxisim describes them somewhat. We have found on this website that depending upon Poll questions members are described as liberals and socialist when in fact they are not but the questions led to that result. My recent Presidential candidate poll put me as 69% Saunders and 67% Ted Cruz. So am I a socialist or a radicalized conservative? Maybe I'm a Marxist but that wasn't a poll option.

Your true number (from unconfirmed sources) said 5% of radicalized professors were affirmed Marxist. That is 5% of a sub culture. Not 50% of professors but 5% of a sub culture of radicalized professors. That is a very small percentage of even the radicalized let alone all professors.

Using your math, ISIS, which has a standing army of a little over 60,000, represents half of the two billion Muslims in the world. Congrats of failing statistics so brilliantly you are ready to be Scioscia's right hand man.

5 % of professors overall. In sociology, its 25% straight up Marxist. I said "soft sciences." In addition, a further large number of social science professors agree that Marxism describes their philosophy. So, we have at least 30-40% in the social sciences who admit to being Marxists or agree that Marxism describes their philosophy. That's the minimum. About 60% of social science professors are either activists, radical, or self identifying Marxist. I don't think saying that about half of all soft science professors are at least sympathetic to Marxism is inaccurate.

The study is here.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.147.6141&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[juansavage1]

Your true number (from unconfirmed sources) said 5% of radicalized professors were affirmed Marxist. That is 5% of a sub culture. Not 50% of professors but 5% of a sub culture of radicalized professors. That is a very small percentage of even the radicalized let alone all professors.

This is incorrect. 5% of ALL professors are Marxist. 20% of social sciences are straight Marxist. A further 20% of social sciences are radical and of those 43% agree that their philosophy is Marxist. The difference is how they identify themselves.

[Blarg]

You are quoting an unpublished work in progress back in 2007. No wonder you were reluctant to authenticate your source.