State takes kids away from parents

[mtangelsfan]

for living off the grid.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/off-the-grid-parents-lose-custody-of-10-kids-118797263547.html

 

 

I am not comfortable with this, at all.

[TobiasFunke]

I'll play devil's advocate. Are you ok with babies/toddlers/children living somewhere in a crude shelter with no heat?

[gotbeer]

So they are living off the grid, but have a facebook page?

[Jay]

I can see both sides of this one.  Tough issue.

[mtangelsfan]

I'll play devil's advocate. Are you ok with babies/toddlers/children living somewhere in a crude shelter with no heat?

 

Have you ever been to Appalachia?  Do you have any idea how many poor people don't have heat?

 

so yes, I am ok with it.  I am much more ok with that than the government taking kids away simply because they don't agree with the way kids are being raised. 

[Jay]

I'm not ok with the government passing judgement on how kids are raised, but at some point the children are endangered because their parents are not providing adequate living arrangements.

[TobiasFunke]

That's kind of how I feel Jay

[mtangelsfan]

I'm not ok with the government passing judgement on how kids are raised, but at some point the children are endangered because their parents are not providing adequate living arrangements.

What is adequate? That is a very dangerous slope

[Ray McKigney]

Nutty couples should not be allowed to have children. 

Edited May 13, 2015 by Ray McKigney

[TobiasFunke]

I would say MT that a good start would be habitable shelter that abides by state building codes

[mtangelsfan]

State codes call for indoor toilets. Is that a deal breaker?

Codes today call fire sprinklers in many homes, how about that?

[AngelsLongBall]

Good enough for Island of the Blue Dolphins, good enough for me

[TobiasFunke]

I guess the first question is, is that their plot of land that they are living on. If it is then they need to be living in a primary structure with, yes, toilets and fire sprinklers. Unless the state of Kentucky doesn't have those standards.

 

If it's not their plot of land then it's trespassing.

[mtangelsfan]

I guess the first question is, is that their plot of land that they are living on. If it is then they need to be living in a primary structure with, yes, toilets and fire sprinklers. Unless the state of Kentucky doesn't have those standards.

 

If it's not their plot of land then it's trespassing.

What if they can't afford that?

I am honestly surprised this is your take on this.

[Schildog]

the dad needs to pull out every once in awhile. 

[TobiasFunke]

What if they can't afford that?

I am honestly surprised this is your take on this.

If they can't afford basic living conditions then I would advise them not to have 11 kids

[mtangelsfan]

If they can't afford basic living conditions then I would advise them not to have 11 kids

 

This is a fine statement but completely irrelevant unless you support forced sterilization.

 

Bottom line is I still think the kids are better off with their parents than being split up and put into the "system".  Things should be extremely grave to take children away from their parents.

[HaloMagic]

Things should be extremely grave to take children away from their parents.

Like not having basic living conditions.

[mtangelsfan]

Like not having basic living conditions.

 

Do you really believe its better to have heat than the love and support of your parents and company of your siblings?

 

Ask kids who've been in the system how that worked for them.

 

Basic immenities do not make up for a parental bond.

 

Besides, what happens when the state decides that homeschooling your kids is enough to take them away?  Or any kind of deviation from the norm is enough to take them away?

 

I don't read in the story anywhere that the children were unhealthy in any way.  Do you?

[Crampknees]

The mom looks tired in that picture.  I think she was trying to remember what it was like to not be in labor. 

[Tank]

The mom looks tired in that picture.  I think she was trying to remember what it was like to not be in labor. 

 

my grandmother (mom's mom) delivered 9 children and had a couple of miscarriages. we once figured out that she was pregnant at some point for something like eleven or twelve consecutive years.

[mulwin444]

my grandmother (mom's mom) delivered 9 children and had a couple of miscarriages. we once figured out that she was pregnant at some point for something like eleven or twelve consecutive years.

My Grandmother had 9 kids (My Mom was third oldest) including 12 total preganancies and 2 miscarriages and 1 who died a month after birth.  Basically 20 years worth of preganancies...pretty amazing and she is turning 92 this August.  Thank God I have those genes.

[JAHV76]

We're they receiving any government aid? There are certain standards of living required for them to be recieing govt aid. That may have factored into why the kids were taken into protective custody.

[HeavenlyHalos]

My Grandmother had 9 kids (My Mom was third oldest) including 12 total preganancies and 2 miscarriages and 1 who died a month after birth.  Basically 20 years worth of preganancies...pretty amazing and she is turning 92 this August.  Thank God I have those genes.

 

Apparently a lot of people have those genes.

[Rico]

This is a fine statement but completely irrelevant unless you support forced sterilization.

 

 

I don't, but sometimes I'm like... maybe.