I've come to a conclusion

[CaliAngel]

 

4.5/10

 

Would not bang even if drunk.

[Hollyw00d]

arte's obsession with scioscia ball makes perfect sense.

 

past accomplishments.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Mixed bag in the FO. Scioscia probably still can't stand Dipoto.

 

Just one man's opinion, and I have nothing to base this on other than personal observation and logical conclusion. I don't believe that Dipoto has much regard for the way that Scioscia runs the team. I'm sure that it drives him nuts to see Scioscia continue to run out the same non-producing veterans night after night, hoping that they will recapture the magic without any real reason to believe that it might happen. On several occasions Dipoto has unloaded players who didn't produce but who Scioscia kept writing on the lineup card. Jeff Mathis. Bobby Abreu. Vernon Wells. Raul Ibanez. Not to mention that he ran Josh Hamilton out there every game in the ALDS when one of us probably had a better chance of getting a hit. He also dumped Sosh's buddy and non-producing hitting coach, Mickey Hatcher.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Vegas Halo Fan

[HeavenlyHalos]

4.5/10

 

Would not bang even if drunk.

 

I don't know... I find her suggestion to simply use regardless incredibly attractive. 

[Lou]

This isn't one entity's doing; everyone has a hand in it. Dipoto has made some horrible trades --Kendrick for Heaney is a debacle thus far, and given Hamilton's production in 2013 and 2014, I'm not sure why anyone would have counted on him. However Dipoto has also made some really good ones, such as trading Frieri for Grilli and bringing Giovatella, Perez and Tropeano on board. Santiago is finding his stride, And as for Skaggs? Well, the TJ gods can hit anyone and there's no crystal ball with that. Dipoto didn't bring on an injured player; it was just bad luck. And by all accounts, Skaggs is extremely motivated to get back to work, so hopefully he will be a great addition to the starting rotation in 2016. And it seems that Dipoto was trying to perhaps trying to insure against starting pitcher problems (Weaver's decline, Wilson potentially having ongoing issues, etc.) and develop the next generation by bringing in people like Tropeano, Newcomb and Heaney. Could some money have better been spent on an established starter? Hindsight's 20/20.

 

And the players? Who the hell knows. I'm not seeing a lack of motivation; I'm seeing something that's not quite clicking and implosions of players who were good last year.

 

Overall, I'd pin more of the problems on Scioscia, though. Scioscia continues to make bad decisions about lineups; keeps pitchers in when they should get the hook; and hangs on with poorly performing players way too long. Last year he kept playing Frieri and Ibanez; this year it's Joyce.

"Kendrick for Heaney is a debacle thus far"

huh?

[AngelsSurfer]

"Kendrick for Heaney is a debacle thus far"huh?

As someone else mentioned Heaney was supposed to be MLB ready, but he's struggling in AAA. Plus, as another person mentioned, they were supposedly counting on Hamilton to keep the lineup strong without Kendrick. IMHO it was silly to assume that given Hamilton's lack of production, but still. LAA lost that trade.

[ScottT]

I like Dipoto.  Can't say the same about Scioscia, but I don't think this in game managing costs the team much over the long haul... and if the bats had gotten hot last October, this thread probably wouldn't exist... and Arte may have given 10 year contract extensions to everyone.  

[NrM]

 

That is most likely true, but I think the better measure would be the outs that occur on bases.

 

First is 2012: http://www.baseball-...ing_batting::21

 

First in 2013: http://www.baseball-...g-batting.shtml

 

Second last year: http://www.baseball-...g-batting.shtml

 

Tied for second this season: http://www.baseball-...g-batting.shtml

 

I don't know how anyone could view that as not an issue with this team's coaching philosophy. We have the worst third base coach I have ever seen.

 

3rd base coaches have come and gone. Awful baserunning has remained the same.

 

first in 2009: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

Second in 2008: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

Second in 2007: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

Second in 2006: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

First in 2004: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2004-baserunning-batting.shtml

 

They have finished first or second in 7 of the last 9 years.

 

Scioscia gets a free pass because they are seen as "Aggressive" and "Gritty".

Fans love to blame the players instead of Scioscia.

 

Aybar wouldn't be as terrible if Scioscia actually gave a shit.

I bet everytime aybar runs into an out, Scioscia pats him on the butt and congratulates him for being aggressive.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Poozy

[Angel Oracle]

Just how does running into all of these outs benefit the team?

[HeavenlyHalos]

3rd base coaches have come and gone. Awful baserunning has remained the same.

 

first in 2009: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

Second in 2008: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

Second in 2007: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

Second in 2006: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2009-baserunning-batting.shtml

First in 2004: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2004-baserunning-batting.shtml

 

They have finished first or second in 7 of the last 9 years.

 

Scioscia gets a free pass because they are seen as "Aggressive" and "Gritty".

Fans love to blame the players instead of Scioscia.

 

Aybar wouldn't be as terrible if Scioscia actually gave a shit.

I bet everytime aybar runs into an out, Scioscia pats him on the butt and congratulates him for being aggressive.

 

Right, after rereading my own post, it sounds like I was placing the majority of the blame on Disar, but I do believe it is Scioscia's overall philosophy that is likely at fault. In any event, I am fairly sick of seeing an out on the basepaths in around 45% of Angel games.

[Angel Oracle]

Someone needs to tell Scioscia that aggressive is only good with smart and quick enough base runners.

[eaterfan]

Just how does running into all of these outs benefit the team?

Look at Mike Trout's strike out totals every year and see where they rank in the American League. How does him striking out so much benefit the team?

[Inside Pitch]

As someone else mentioned Heaney was supposed to be MLB ready, but he's struggling in AAA. Plus, as another person mentioned, they were supposedly counting on Hamilton to keep the lineup strong without Kendrick. IMHO it was silly to assume that given Hamilton's lack of production, but still. LAA lost that trade.

 

Good lord..   Hello, it's 2015, look beyond the ERA as it's not predictive and it doesn't really tell you how he's done based on the things he has control over.

 

His FIP is 2.58, the league average is 4.19.  He's struck out 22.5% of the batters he faced which is 20% above the league average.  He's walked 6.3% of the batters he faced which is a good third lower than the league average.   His GB rate of 49% is above the league average, his strike rate is 67%, his HR/9 is 0.4...  All of those numbers are above average and bode well.

 

Yeah, his ERA is 4.62. mostly due to the park, mediocre defense, and a BABIP of .388 (league average is .339).   

Edited May 6, 2015 by Inside Pitch

[Chuck]

Good lord.. Hello, it's 2015, look beyond the ERA as it's not predictive and it doesn't really tell you how he's done based on the things he has control over.

His FIP is 2.58, the league average is 4.19. He's struck out 22.5% of the batters he faced which is 20% above the league average. He's walked 6.3% of the batters he faced which is a good third lower than the league average. His GB rate of 49% is above the league average, his strike rate is 67%, his HR/9 is 0.4... All of those numbers are above average and bode well.

Yeah, his ERA is 4.62. mostly due to the park, mediocre defense, and a BABIP of .388 (league average is .339).

Yeah Shoemaker had a 5+ ERA in AAA before his promotion and he's done just fine. I don't put a lot of stock into PCL ERA's.

[Jobu]

Just how does running into all of these outs benefit the team?

Is there a stat or stats that reflect the benefits of "aggressive" play? Like first to third rates or successful tag ups or stretching singles to doubles?

Edited May 6, 2015 by Jobu

[Lou]

Good lord..   Hello, it's 2015, look beyond the ERA as it's not predictive and it doesn't really tell you how he's done based on the things he has control over.

 

His FIP is 2.58, the league average is 4.19.  He's struck out 22.5% of the batters he faced which is 20% above the league average.  He's walked 6.3% of the batters he faced which is a good third lower than the league average.   His GB rate of 49% is above the league average, his strike rate is 67%, his HR/9 is 0.4...  All of those numbers are above average and bode well.

 

Yeah, his ERA is 4.62. mostly due to the park, mediocre defense, and a BABIP of .388 (league average is .339).

yeah, but someone mentioned!

[Lou]

As someone else mentioned Heaney was supposed to be MLB ready, but he's struggling in AAA. Plus, as another person mentioned, they were supposedly counting on Hamilton to keep the lineup strong without Kendrick. IMHO it was silly to assume that given Hamilton's lack of production, but still. LAA lost that trade.

Howie's actual replacement is batting .288

[Jay]

There's nothing wrong with the word or how I used it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

 

Irregardless is a word commonly used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795.[1] Most dictionaries list it as "nonstandard" or "incorrect" usage, and recommend that "regardless" should be used instead.

 

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So nothing wrong if you want to sound like you have never read a book.

[AngelsSurfer]

Howie's actual replacement is batting .288

They've been lucky that Gla's been such a great surprise.

Edited May 6, 2015 by AngelsSurfer

[AngelsSurfer]

yeah, but someone mentioned!

Yeah, but you go after my post and not the one who originally brought it up on this thread! Awesome!

Edited May 6, 2015 by AngelsSurfer

[eaterfan]

Is there a stat or stats that reflect the benefits of "aggressive" play? Like first to third rates or successful tag ups or stretching singles to doubles?

Hit and run won tonight's game.

Edited May 7, 2015 by eaterfan

[Lou]

They've been lucky that Gla's been such a great surprise.

not lucky.

they gave him a chance in ST and he ran with it. That's what teams do

[Lou]

Yeah, but you go after my post and not the one who originally brought it up on this thread! Awesome!

that's because it was a dumb post

it happens

[Lou]

I'm a huge fan and I am mostly a positive person and see the bright side of things, but if I were a new fan to this team, I don't know what would keep me coming back. We have zero young players in their first or second year that are compelling and that you want to see how they develop. Our closest thing to a prospect that has a future on this team is Mike Morin. I probably shouldn't post after a frustrating loss, but this is how I feel about the team right now.

Perez, Shoemaker

i'll let you know how they do

Edited May 7, 2015 by Lou

[Stradling]

You're absolutely right I missed Shoemaker. I hope to god Perez becomes an everyday catcher. If he can catch and throw at above league average that would be amazing. He will hit enough for the position.