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"Look at a guy like Mike Trout. He's the MVP of the American League and he strikes out 184 times. Come on. That's Adam Dunn and Dave Kingman territory. Nobody makes adjustments anymore.

From USA Today article by Bob Nightingale. Sorry no link, reading an actual printed page this morning.

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To be fair Rose had the under on Trout striking out 150 times last season so he has a reason to be bent.

Dear Pete Rose,   Your first three season's you hit .286/.348/.386 - 105 OPS+ Trouts first three seasons he hit .311/.403/.561 - 172 OPS+   At his current pace Trout will exceed your career total

I wonder if ol Dimaggio had to face specialists throwing 96 in the 7th; then a different one in the ninth.   This is all so stupid.

Rose was Rookie of the Year and an MVP with 17 All Star appearances back before fan ballot box stuffing. He struck out more than 70 times only three times in career. At age 38, playing in 162 games he struck out only 32 times while maintaining a. 418 Obp.

He has the resume to say something about the subject.

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If you look at the guys who strike out the least, it's mostly slap hitters who are just looking to put the ball in play, like Denard Span, Ben Revere, Jose Altuve, Alcides Escobar, etc, with a couple of flukey exceptions like Brantley and VMart. Doesn't really make sense to compare Rose and Trout since they have different repertoires. 

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Rose was Rookie of the Year and an MVP with 17 All Star appearances back before fan ballot box stuffing. He struck out more than 70 times only three times in career. At age 38, playing in 162 games he struck out only 32 times while maintaining a. 418 Obp.

He has the resume to say something about the subject.

So far Mike Trout has been better so Mike Trout should keep doing what he's been doing and not try to be more like Pete Rose.

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Rose was Rookie of the Year and an MVP with 17 All Star appearances back before fan ballot box stuffing. He struck out more than 70 times only three times in career. At age 38, playing in 162 games he struck out only 32 times while maintaining a. 418 Obp.

He has the resume to say something about the subject.

He certainly does have the resume to talk hitting....but he also has a resume that keeps him out of the Hall of Fame and gives me pause with most everything he says, even if it's about something where he should have credibility.....

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Maybe Pete should have spent less time swinging at bad pitches trying to get hits and taken more walks.

 

I don't think this in a area you can diss Pete Rose. Just sayin'  

 

When you hold the all-time hit record, your approach at the plate should not be questioned IMO.  :P

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If you look at the guys who strike out the least, it's mostly slap hitters who are just looking to put the ball in play, like Denard Span, Ben Revere, Jose Altuve, Alcides Escobar, etc, with a couple of flukey exceptions like Brantley and VMart. Doesn't really make sense to compare Rose and Trout since they have different repertoires.

It is not about comparisons as much as Rose having a valid voice on the subject. And if you look at the careers of the top hall of fame hitters most are not Dave Kingman.
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It is not about comparisons as much as Rose having a valid voice on the subject. And if you look at the careers of the top hall of fame hitters most are not Dave Kingman.

Everyone is welcomed to give an opinion but saying he players strike out too much doesn't mean much. Guys aren't going up there trying to strike out.

Plus it's not like Trout us up there striking out or hitting hinge runs. He has a higher average than Rose and walks more than Rose. Trout's average is much higher than Dunn's and comparing them turns Rose's statement into a joke.

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It's a pretty ignorant comment. One of the things Trout was known for his first couple of seasons was his ability to make adjustments - often within an AB. I remember seeing a stat that his batting AVG went up in his 2nd, 3rd, 4th/5th ABs of games. Last year he basically had one hole in his swing, which was the high fastball. Whether he makes an adjustment to that, we'll see . . . but to lump him into a generation of hitters who "don't make adjustments anymore", that's just silly.

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Rose was Rookie of the Year and an MVP with 17 All Star appearances back before fan ballot box stuffing. He struck out more than 70 times only three times in career. At age 38, playing in 162 games he struck out only 32 times while maintaining a. 418 Obp.

He has the resume to say something about the subject.

 

Not disagreeing about your overall point, but there was plenty of ballot stuffing in the 1970s.

 

The usher would hand out fistfulls of ballots to the people on your row, and there'd be stuffing a plenty.

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