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'Spider-Man' Swings to Marvel Studios in Major Sony Partnership


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I still don't like that Sony gets final say in any of the decision making.  Then again, I don't think they would have done this if they didn't trust Marvel to make a good film.  So hopefully they let Marvel do what they want and stay out of it.

 

It's a shame Andrew Garfield won't be back.  I thought he was a perfect Spider-Man.

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Sony has proven that they don't know wtf they're doing when it comes to creative control with Spider-Man. They still technically control him but essentially they've given Marvel the reins to come in and fix their shit storm of a franchise.

The franchise has netted nearly $4 billion in box office sales worldwide. That is just in theatre sales and has nothing to do with profits from home video, cable TV, or merchandise.

It is a shit storm of profits.

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The franchise has netted nearly $4 billion in box office sales worldwide. That is just in theatre sales and has nothing to do with profits from home video, cable TV, or merchandise.

It is a shit storm of profits.

Competent creative direction allowed a completely unknown quantity (Guardians of the Galaxy) to make more globally than the last Spider Man film in 2014.

Imagine how much more that shit storm of profit would be with an even halfway decent product.

Sony has completely f*cked up Spider Man. They should have just let Raimi do whatever the hell wanted to do and not forced characters and plot lines on him.

Spider Man 2 was unbelievably good.

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The franchise has netted nearly $4 billion in box office sales worldwide. That is just in theatre sales and has nothing to do with profits from home video, cable TV, or merchandise.

It is a shit storm of profits.

The Angels were profitable between 2010 and 2013. Still doesn't mean it wasn't a pile of shit.

 

Spider-Man 2 from the original trilogy was the only good movie. The other 4 sucked. Also, profits took a significant hit for the reboot.

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Marcel needed Spider-Man back. He's a pretty big part of some of the comics they will by adapting to film here soon. Captain America 3 is a pretty good example of one and will most certainly feature Spider-Man. Sony is going to make money regardless of what Marvel does with him. He will get a rebooted franchise and then whatever else Marvel wants to put Spider-Man in. I fully expect him to be part of the third Avengers movie as well.

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The Angels were profitable between 2010 and 2013. Still doesn't mean it wasn't a pile of shit.

 

Spider-Man 2 from the original trilogy was the only good movie. The other 4 sucked. Also, profits took a significant hit for the reboot.

 

Profits took a significant hit, while still making a shit ton of money.

 

Sony made the right move here. I hope they let Marvel do what they please. Marvel has proven they know WTH they are doing when it comes to hero movies.

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1 Spider-Man 3 Sony $890.9 $336.5 37.8% $554.3 62.2% 2007 2 Spider-Man Sony $821.7 $403.7 49.1% $418.0 50.9% 2002 3 Spider-Man 2 Sony $783.8 $373.6 47.7% $410.2 52.3% 2004 4 The Amazing Spider-Man Sony $757.9 $262.0 34.6% $495.9 65.4% 2012 5 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Sony $709.0 $202.9 28.6% $506.1 71.4% 2014

 

Just remember that those are gross box office receipts. For instance, this site  breaks down budget and stuff.  Avatar made a worldwide gross of $2.7 million.  But approximate income is only $1.7 million so only about 62% of their actual gross.  Avengers made $1.5 million, but approximate income of $981 million, about a 65%.  Pirates dead mans chest $1.06 with approximate income of $853 million, or 80%.  I think a lot of it has to do with how much marketing you do.  With the spiderman's, I would think it would be in the 65% area.  

 

So Spiderman 3 made $578 for the studio, Spider man made $533.  Spider man 2 made $508.  Amazing made $492.  Amazing 2 made $460.  

 

Budget wise.  Looking at the movies above.  Avatar Budget $425, expense of $516, 21% increase.  Avengers $225, expense of $300, 33%.  Pirates Dead man $225, expense of $293, 30%.  

 

Budget of spider man 3 was $258.  So say 25% increase for expenses.  $322 million in expenses, profit of $256 million

Budget of spider man was $139.  25% expense.  $173 million expense, profit of $359 million.

Budget of spider man 2 was $200.  25% expense.  $250 million expense, profit of $258 million.

Budget of amazing spider man was $220.  25% expense.  $275 million expense, profit of $217 million

Budget of amazing 2 was $200.  25% expense.  $250 million expense, profit of $210 million

 

So the total profit they made on the 5 films was a guestimate of $1.3 billion.  Which isn't too bad.  But you can see the profit margins of the films.

 

Spider man 207%

spider man 2 103%

spider man 3 79%

amazing 80%

amazing 2 84%

 

And when it comes down to it, that profit margin is what is driving studios.  Because while spider man is a sure thing.  Sony has to produce Annie, and the Interview, and numerous other films that aren't a sure thing.  They need to get that profit % into the 100's if not 200% range. 

 

 

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Looking at the last 3 marvel films.

 

Guardians of the Galaxy $774 million global box office - net of $503 million.  Expense of $212 million.  Profit 137%

Capt America Winter Soldier $714 million - net of $464.1 million.  Expense of $212 million.  Profit 118%

Avengers $1.5 billion - net of $975 million.  Expense of $275 million.  Profit 254%

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1 Spider-Man 3 Sony $890.9 $336.5 37.8% $554.3 62.2% 2007 2 Spider-Man Sony $821.7 $403.7 49.1% $418.0 50.9% 2002 3 Spider-Man 2 Sony $783.8 $373.6 47.7% $410.2 52.3% 2004 4 The Amazing Spider-Man Sony $757.9 $262.0 34.6% $495.9 65.4% 2012 5 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Sony $709.0 $202.9 28.6% $506.1 71.4% 2014

Just remember that those are gross box office receipts. For instance, this site breaks down budget and stuff. Avatar made a worldwide gross of $2.7 million. But approximate income is only $1.7 million so only about 62% of their actual gross. Avengers made $1.5 million, but approximate income of $981 million, about a 65%. Pirates dead mans chest $1.06 with approximate income of $853 million, or 80%. I think a lot of it has to do with how much marketing you do. With the spiderman's, I would think it would be in the 65% area.

So Spiderman 3 made $578 for the studio, Spider man made $533. Spider man 2 made $508. Amazing made $492. Amazing 2 made $460.

Budget wise. Looking at the movies above. Avatar Budget $425, expense of $516, 21% increase. Avengers $225, expense of $300, 33%. Pirates Dead man $225, expense of $293, 30%.

Budget of spider man 3 was $258. So say 25% increase for expenses. $322 million in expenses, profit of $256 million

Budget of spider man was $139. 25% expense. $173 million expense, profit of $359 million.

Budget of spider man 2 was $200. 25% expense. $250 million expense, profit of $258 million.

Budget of amazing spider man was $220. 25% expense. $275 million expense, profit of $217 million

Budget of amazing 2 was $200. 25% expense. $250 million expense, profit of $210 million

So the total profit they made on the 5 films was a guestimate of $1.3 billion. Which isn't too bad. But you can see the profit margins of the films.

Spider man 207%

spider man 2 103%

spider man 3 79%

amazing 80%

amazing 2 84%

And when it comes down to it, that profit margin is what is driving studios. Because while spider man is a sure thing. Sony has to produce Annie, and the Interview, and numerous other films that aren't a sure thing. They need to get that profit % into the 100's if not 200% range.

TLDR: what RallyMo said.

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Competent creative direction allowed a completely unknown quantity (Guardians of the Galaxy) to make more globally than the last Spider Man film in 2014.

Imagine how much more that shit storm of profit would be with an even halfway decent product.

Sony has completely f*cked up Spider Man. They should have just let Raimi do whatever the hell wanted to do and not forced characters and plot lines on him.

Spider Man 2 was unbelievably good.

 

Guess how many more Spiderman action figures have sold over Guardians of Galaxy? 

 

 

 

 

No fair adding in sales of saplings from Armstrong Garden Centers.

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