state of the union

[Glen]

I think dems have probably raised taxes more often than repubs have started two wars, but you get an A for effort.

Btw, Barry told congress tonight he wanted authorization for military options against ISIL.

 

 

I think that republicans have probably raised taxes more often than they've started two wars, as well. B for effort.

 

At least ISIL is a "threat" to America, or so they make it look. 

[Tank]

You'd be hard pressed to find something as expensive on almost every level (money and lives, especially) as the wars the guys I assume you punched your ticket for lusted after.

 

dems who raised taxes:

LBJ

carter

clinton

obama

 

repubs who started trillion dollar wars:

dubya

 

this is just in my lifetime.

 

i won't disagree at all about the cost in lives in re: afghanistan and iraq. my POV was more about frequency of these things happening.

[wopphil]

You'd be hard pressed to find something as expensive on almost every level (money and lives, especially) as the wars the guys I assume you punched your ticket for lusted after.

Because not a single democrat voted for them.

[Glen]

...then go after the banks and their cavalier attitudes, which I would not be against, for the most part.  However, be warned that whatever the banks lose monetarily because of government legislation, they will pass on to you and me in the form of new and higher fees.  Indeed, you can't have it all.  

 

 

So it seems our options are to go after the people with little or no money because they're the ones that can't afford to fight back, and get minimal gains, or go against the people ****ing the system on a much, much grander scale but we can't touch them because they'll slap us down.  If that's the case I'll take my chances poking a stick at the bear.  You might hit an eye, and the potential for rewards is much greater.

[Glen]

dems who raised taxes:

LBJ

carter

clinton

obama

 

repubs who started trillion dollar wars:

dubya

 

this is just in my lifetime.

 

i won't disagree at all about the cost in lives in re: afghanistan and iraq. my POV was more about frequency of these things happening.

 

 

That's cherry-picking, man.  Bush 1 started a war but at least had sense enough to pull out.  Reagan and Bush 1 both increased taxes.

[Glen]

Because not a single democrat voted for them.

 

I seem to recall republicans talking about bipartisan congressional support for the wars.  You might want to check the voting records.

 

 

Edit: **** me, I missed the sarcasm.  Hit me with your best shot, I deserve it.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Glen

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Since the speech it's naturally turned into R vs. D while we continue to rack up debt and watch both sides blame the other.  Mission accomplished with that speech because neither side was going to give in to the threats or concessions.  It's all posturing trying to buy votes because come next election the democrats will blame the greedy republicans while the republicans will blame the socialist demoncrats.    

[Adam]

Looking at my W2... So depressing. 

[RallyMo]

dems who raised taxes:

LBJ

carter

clinton

obama

 

repubs who started trillion dollar wars:

dubya

 

this is just in my lifetime.

 

i won't disagree at all about the cost in lives in re: afghanistan and iraq. my POV was more about frequency of these things happening.

 

Are you going to include GHWB on the list of Presidents that increased taxes (especially on those in the high bracket...sound familiar?), or are you going to pretend that you were somehow not alive at that time?

[Schildog]

...then go after the banks and their cavalier attitudes, which I would not be against, for the most part.  However, be warned that whatever the banks lose monetarily because of government legislation, they will pass on to you and me in the form of new and higher fees.  Indeed, you can't have it all.  

 

my point was my tax dollars will go to different things regardless how i feel. i'm personally for helping out someone who is an disadvantageous position. if subsidizing 2 years of community college allows someone to get above the poverty by getting an extra 10k per year in salary, i'm for for it. oh the gov't would be able to bring in some extra revenue on the higher income year over year.

[RallyMo]

Because not a single democrat voted for them.

That's a great refutation of something that I didn't way. A+ work.

 

Also...

Not a single Republican was involved in the formation of any budgets that raised taxes while a Democrat was in office.

[Adam]

my point was my tax dollars will go to different things regardless how i feel. i'm personally for helping out someone who is an disadvantageous position. if subsidizing 2 years of community college allows someone to get above the poverty by getting an extra 10k per year in salary, i'm for for it. oh the gov't would be able to bring in some extra revenue on the higher income year over year.

 

I don't think the economy has a need for any more people with college degrees. I think we have too many. 

 

I support none of this, but if pressed, I'd rather they teach people to operate garbage trucks and brick saws.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Adam

[Schildog]

that's because you own your own company and you want to shit on the drones.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

I don't think the economy has a need for any more people with college degrees. I think we have too many. 

 

I support none of this, but if pressed, I'd rather they teach people to operate garbage trucks and brick saws.

 

In a way I agree.  We've got enough people with degrees that they don't use or that are pretty much worthless.  As was talked about in another thread it would be better to have trade schools or some such similar path set up for kids starting at about grade 10.  Not everyone is meant to go to college and definitely not if it's on the taxpayer dime.     

[Angel Oracle]

I don't think the economy has a need for any more people with college degrees. I think we have too many. 

 

I support none of this, but if pressed, I'd rather they teach people to operate garbage trucks and brick saws.

College has become so expensive, even if taking 48 units at a juco and the rest at a 4 year school.

Trade schools are a very good alternative, and can help to get one into the work force sooner. 

[Jay]

Taxpayers already subsidize the low-cost tuition at community colleges, the next logical step is to make it free.

 

I might consider tuition reimbursement for students who participate in a few pre-defined degree programs and maintain decent grades.

[DowningRules]

Looking at my W2... So depressing. 

 

You must be in the top 50% of income earners. You need to contribute more.  Be thankful that you are only paying what you are currently paying in taxes.  Stop trying to keep so much of what you've earned.

[Jay]

Make sure you have your 401(k) maxed out, that is my advice to you.  Trust me you do not want to leave that money on the table, especially when there is a company match.

[DowningRules]

Taxpayers already subsidize the low-cost tuition at community colleges, the next logical step is to make it free.

 

I might consider tuition reimbursement for students who participate in a few pre-defined degree programs and maintain decent grades.

 

This has been my thought, too.  I wouldn't be so against more subsidized college education if it were directed towards those who want to study the sciences, maths, or other useful endeavors.  I have a nephew who bailed on his path towards being an architect because the math was "too hard."  Basically, he didn't want to put the energy in to learning it.  It's hard.  It's not fun. There's no immediate gratification.

 

Now, he's studying art.  He's going to art school.  His grandmother stopped helping pay for his "college." 

 

The classes are super easy, though he is vocal about his stress levels when he has a couple drawings due on deadline.  His drawings look terrible.  He has no job, nor will he have ajob in the near term or upon graduation.  He recently took part in Ferguson-related protests in Oakland.  Soon, he will likely be protesting against the 1%.  Meanwhile, he will continue to hang out with his friends who also make terrible drawings and drink coffee and complain that "artists" aren't paid what they should be and there's not enough jobs for "artists."  Math sucks.

[Schildog]

completely agree d.r. every student that goes to college needs to get their engineering degree. 

[happybat4]

Republican, democrat, doesn't matter to me. All I hear when politics talk is blah blah blah. Never say anything. Say they want to fix something without saying how. I wish they got rid of political parties. 

[Tank]

That's cherry-picking, man.  Bush 1 started a war but at least had sense enough to pull out.  Reagan and Bush 1 both increased taxes.

 

probably guilty of cherry picking, but the discussion was about dems who raised taxed vs. repubs who started trillion dollar wars.

[Tank]

Are you going to include GHWB on the list of Presidents that increased taxes (especially on those in the high bracket...sound familiar?), or are you going to pretend that you were somehow not alive at that time?

 

no, i'm not going to include him because the discussion was not about all presidents who raised taxes. 

[InsideThePark]

The state of the union has never been about propaganda. Obama revolutionized it according to some.

But seriously, it was as pointless as it's ever been.

Edited January 21, 2015 by InsideThePark

[mtangelsfan]

Wow, this thread brought out the teeth.

 

Rally insulting the nicest poster on aw with a ridiculous claim.

 

Hollywood insinuating that only kids who go to community college pay their own way.

 

Phil making this a dem/rep thing.

 

Seriously is anyone going to defend Obama's bait and switch on the tax free college funds or boots on the ground in the middle east?

 

 

I can't stand politicians.

Edited January 21, 2015 by mtangelsfan