Pastor kicks out mourners of a funeral because they found out the deceased was gay

[TobiasFunke]

Such tolerance...

 

 

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27312180/family-lakewood-church-refuses-funeral-service-because-woman

[Spirit]

Why would you have your funeral at a place that you don't agree with and doesn't agree with you?  This makes no sense to me.

[Lhalo]

Sounds staged.

[eaterfan]

Why would you have your funeral at a place that you don't agree with and doesn't agree with you? This makes no sense to me.

If it was such a big deal to this guy why didn't he ask before to find out if the deceased was gay or put something on the form?

But in answer to your question maybe they agreed on many things but not everything. Should we all only associate with people we only agree with on everything?

It's certainly his right to do what he wants but it's my right to think he's a jerk.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Free speech and all, blah blah blah. If i understand it correctly, the church 'catered' (for lack of a better word) to those effected by drugs, gangs, etc. Thats good of them, but they interrupt a funeral for this? What does the good word say about drugs and gangs? Would they do the same to someone who overdosed, or a gangster who got shot?

If they said no from the get go, it is what it is. Its offensive, but they have a right to their beliefs and opinions. But to stop it midway though is ridiculous

[TobiasFunke]

That's pretty much how I feel also tenocho

[Spirit]

If it was such a big deal to this guy why didn't he ask before to find out if the deceased was gay or put something on the form?

But in answer to your question maybe they agreed on many things but not everything. Should we all only associate with people we only agree with on everything?

It's certainly his right to do what he wants but it's my right to think he's a jerk.

 

 

Ok ... let's turn it around.

 

If it was such a big deal to the family, why didn't they ask the church/pastor before to find out if it was ok for them to embrace/celebrate the deceased homosexuality? 

 

Maybe they agreed on some things and the church said no to this ... but they did it anyway.  I don't think that we as people should only associate with those that we agree with on everything.  But I don't know that it's way out of bounds for the proprietor of a building to ask people to leave if what they do/believe is outside of what they feel is their core mission.  If a group rented out an NAACP hall for a klan rally, I think it's totally cool for the owners to give them the boot.  (Yes ... I can build a straw man too.)

 

It's absolutely their right to be upset at what the church did, my it's my right to feel they were pretty disingenuous to try to do it in the first place.

 

 

 

 

All that said ... I don't think this is a church I would want to attend.

[TobiasFunke]

Ok ... let's turn it around.

If it was such a big deal to the family, why didn't they ask the church/pastor before to find out if it was ok for them to embrace/celebrate the deceased homosexuality?

They're mourning the death of their loved one, why do they have to bring up their sexuality? It's a venue that they saw fit to use for services, I don't see the need when signing the contract to say, "oh wait, btw I'm gay."

[Lou]

but you see the need for the pastor to ask if the deceased was gay?

do you really think a pastor should do that for every prospective funeral 

service ?

 

also, a church may merely be a venue to some, but i assure you it is much 

more than that to parishoners

[mtangelsfan]

I think there is plenty of blame to go around.  Weddings and funerals are rites performed with responsibilty, or at least should be.  There should be a lot of information shared about each party before something like that happens.

[Spirit]

Why is a venue owned and operated by a group that disagrees with the way their dearly departed lived their life one that they would see fit to use for services?

[mtangelsfan]

They're mourning the death of their loved one, why do they have to bring up their sexuality? It's a venue that they saw fit to use for services, I don't see the need when signing the contract to say, "oh wait, btw I'm gay."

 

Most churches do not charge for this kind of thing so there is no contract. 

[TobiasFunke]

but you see the need for the pastor to ask if the deceased was gay?

Show me where I said that

[TobiasFunke]

Most churches do not charge for this kind of thing so there is no contract.

Good to know

[Tank]

Most churches do not charge for this kind of thing IF IT'S FOR ONE OF THEIR OWN PARISHONERS so there is no contract. 

 

fixed.

[gotbeer]

Sad story.  

 

I'd say they drag the pastor to the middle of town square.  And behead him.  That's what the good book says to do.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What, what thread is this?  

[mtangelsfan]

fixed.

 

No, not at all.  Never been part of a church that charged to do funerals.  

[nate]

I have unfortunately been a part of the planning for three funerals and all three churches charged.

[TobiasFunke]

Welp, that answers that question

[Blarg]

We had a friend that was gay named Marty that was completely out of the closet. He would wear women's clothing on occasion, thought he looked like Marilyn Monroe, had a boyfriend/spouse. Marty had a falling out with his significant other and his life spiraled out of control with drinking and pills until one night he made good on a promise to commit suicide.

 

My wife was unlucky enough to have found him after his ex had called her and told her Marty had left a message on his answering machine threatening to kill himself. We were managing an apartment at the time and Marty was a tenant so we had access to his place and she found him too late.

 

His mother, a devout Christian, denied that Marty was gay and even went as far as accuse my wife of being the reason Marty committed suicide. We let the distraught mother into the apartment to chose a suit to bury her "straight" son in and she picks out a blue one. Later we found out from Marty's ex that it was his suit he had left in the closet before they broke up.

 

Marty rests in piece wrapped in his lovers clothes, probably just what he wanted and his homophobic mother never knew what she had done. I thought it was poetic justice.

[mtangelsfan]

I have unfortunately been a part of the planning for three funerals and all three churches charged.

 

I really want to put a joke here, but the voice inside me is screaming don't.

[Schildog]

And I'm fighting the urge to post something too

[mtangelsfan]

We cancel each other out.

[InsideThePark]

I think there is plenty of blame to go around.  Weddings and funerals are rites performed with responsibilty, or at least should be.  There should be a lot of information shared about each party before something like that happens.

Perhaps but I think you'll agree that they had kind of reached the point of no return.

[mtangelsfan]

Oh sure, I think at that point they should have done the funeral, but my point is it should never have gotten to that point.