Corey Kluber wins Cy Young

[m0nkey]

Over Felix.  Right choice?

[bloodbrother]

IMO yes. Good job by the voters

[HaloCory22]

Close race but ultimately it was the right choice.

[DW711]

You could have picked any one of the three and I would have had no problem with it.

[Angelsjunky]

It could have gone either way, so it is neither the right or wrong choice. Both were worthy.

[m0nkey]

I wouldn't have picked Sale just because he pitched 60 less innings than the other two

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

The voters got it right.

[tdawg87]

Remember when the Angels almost traded Trumbo for this guy? Good times.

[Chuck]

Remember when the Angels almost traded Trumbo for this guy? Good times.

 

and when 99% of the board (including myself) was against it. 

[tdawg87]

We're a bunch of idiots.

[Chuck]

We're a bunch of idiots.

 

We should link this thread or the original fake trade thread whenever someone puts their Armchair GM pants on. 

[Guest]

We're a bunch of idiots.

 

We should link this thread or the original fake trade thread whenever someone puts their Armchair GM pants on. 

 

Internet forum GM's were almost unanimously right about Joe Blanton being a huge mistake.

[Hollyw00d]

You assume we're wearing pants

[T.G.]

Had Felix not folded in Toronto it might have been a different story.

[Angel Oracle]

and when 99% of the board (including myself) was against it. 

That was one where I was in favor of it (Kluber for Trumbo).    Still very glad though that Skaggs and Santiago were acquired for Trumbo.

[Guest]

It's an interesting choice, but at least Felix didn't win—his numbers weren't as dominant as everyone suggested.

[Taylor]

the only way felix wins in a close race like this is if he's on a california team or west of the mississippi entirely.  

 

[arch stanton]

Good choice.

 

Recent tradition holds that if you win the Cy in Cleveland you must then be traded to the NL for prospects that will never do squat. 

[tdawg87]

Wait why are people saying this was the right choice? I just looked up the stats and Felix was better in basically every facet accept strikeouts and Wins, and one of those stats is stupid. His WHIP was so much better it's almost blasphemous they chose Kluber over him. His H/9 was significantly better, as was his ERA and ERA+.

 

I'm not saying Kluber was a terrible choice, but Felix was clearly the better pitcher. Am I missing something?

[Ender]

When you have idiots like this guy voting ... it isn't surprising. Knocking Felix for Zunino's framing ability? LOL.

 

https://twitter.com/BKennedyStar/status/532683371739381761

 

As Felix said ... he doesn't care about individual goals ... he wants the team to go to the WS ... I'm fine with that.

 

My fav stat-Kluber 5.40 ERA in 6 starts vs top 3 scoring teams in AL (DET, LAA, OAK). Felix 1.84 ERA in 11 starts”

 

Also a good stat above. Felix was better in basically everything but Wins and K's ... yet Kluber wins. Whatever. Onto 2015! Most of you saying "they made the right choice, good for them, etc" are likely just saying this due to being Angels fans ... which I understand. Sports writers shouldn't be biased however.

 

 

Wait why are people saying this was the right choice? I just looked up the stats and Felix was better in basically every facet accept strikeouts and Wins, and one of those stats is stupid. His WHIP was so much better it's almost blasphemous they chose Kluber over him. His H/9 was significantly better, as was his ERA and ERA+.

 

I'm not saying Kluber was a terrible choice, but Felix was clearly the better pitcher. Am I missing something?

 

 

What he said.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Ender

[Sam Sanchez]

I think everyone is going by how great Kluber pitched down the stretch. And I don't think Felix was that far at all outside of that terrible start against Toronto.

Can't really look up stats on my phone right now but I believe Felix was pretty solid post All Star break. It's nice to see Kluber win but I also think Felix should have won pretty easily.

[bloodbrother]

Wait why are people saying this was the right choice? I just looked up the stats and Felix was better in basically every facet accept strikeouts and Wins, and one of those stats is stupid. His WHIP was so much better it's almost blasphemous they chose Kluber over him. His H/9 was significantly better, as was his ERA and ERA+.

 

I'm not saying Kluber was a terrible choice, but Felix was clearly the better pitcher. Am I missing something?

 

Ballpark factors + defense. Kluber was routinely victimized by the Indians horrendous defense. Those H/9, WHIP, etc all go down if he had any help from his fielders. Felix pitched behind a good defensive club which helped in supressing his hits allowed and runs given up.

 

I think most voters took this into account. To be honest, Felix probably was hurt a bit due to the ballpark he plays in. While we can say that the Mariners defense definitely helped in suppressing the hits allowed/runs allowed by Felix, we can also say that he wasn't helped too much by his own ballpark. Guys like JEred Weaver and Chris Young(this season) are clear examples of how their home parks help them in suppressing runs allowed. Both are extreme flyball pitchers who are helped by their spacious parks. Felix is a groundball pitcher. IT helps that he gets to pitch in Safeco, but he'd dominate anywhere he played. I just think Kluber dominated more, especially the last 3 or so months of the season, and that the gap in ERA/WHIP, H/9 etc would be a lot more even if Kluber pitched behind a team with even an average defense

 

This play probably helped Kluber as well. Really shows that Indians defense in all its glory lol

 

http://deadspin.com/ryan-raburn-defensive-meltdown-leads-to-easiest-inside-1610634728?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow