Obama Administration Prepares Amnesty ID Cards for Up to 34 Million Illegals

[Adam]

My bad. Read his thingy wrong. I'm a dick. 

[shellback]

Cultivation of a permanent underclass

 

a much more popular method is the framing of every societal and moral issue into racial or xenophbic terms. turn the actual issue into a philosophical argument and you can avoid solution seeking forever.

this way the classes can continue to be stratified under the noses of the serfs.

[Adam]

I admit that my position on this might be less than reasonable. I just can't find an excusable reason to prohibit someone from a shithole country who wants to make a better life for his/herself and family. 

[Jay]

We've been around and around on this topic so many times I don't feel like going over it again.

[shellback]

its interesting that a country that is alledgedly at war with terrorists has borders as porous as we do.

[gotbeer]

I admit that my position on this might be less than reasonable. I just can't find an excusable reason to prohibit someone from a shithole country who wants to make a better life for his/herself and family. 

 

 

That is also part of the problem.  Many of these people are not adults, but kids that their parents hired coyotes to smuggle across the border, because they know that the US will take better care of them.  And these are the worst things for the US.  Because hey boo hoo hoo, they are kids, we can't send them back.  And if we keep them here, until they turn 18, we the taxpayers have to pay everything for them, since their parents are no where to be found.  

 

At least illegals that are families, you can count on some tax revenue coming in.  Whether it be sales, possibly even income or property taxes.  But these abandoned kids are nothing but a money pit.

[Adam]

So should we kill them?

[gotbeer]

So should we kill them?

 

Yes.  Or at least give them to the Mexican police, and let them kill them.

[Adam]

It is obviously a total mess, but we're never going to stop people from coming here. No one seems interested in streamlining the process of coming legally. 

[nate]

Gun turrets.

 

We simultaneously create jobs and scare people the **** away from sneaking into the country.

[halobob]

We just need to make our country worse than mexico, that'll stop the problem, just like in south park.  Viva Mantequilla!

[TobiasFunke]

If we are going off of redeeming qualities, I'm not sure I can make a list on how we're better than Mexicans.

 

Maybe it is Americans that suck ass?

[Tank]

its interesting that a country that is alledgedly at war with terrorists has borders as porous as we do.

 

this is the part of the entire equation that is so positively baffling to me. 

 

we're just begging for trouble when there is no system in place to process people who are here or want to come here, or to secure the borders and prevent some really nasty people from coming in. i just don't get this approach.

[Tank]

It isn't, but we will not be able to facilitate everybody and in this day and age you have to have some kind of controls over who comes in and out of the country.  We should be working harder at making life better for those in Mexico.  If things were better there that would solve a lot of issues. 

 

Our resources are not exhaustive, we cannot support everyone.  I am fine with green cards, but they better damn well give all of those striving to become citizens a pass right to it if this is what they are going to do. 

 

all very valid points, mt.

 

granting them amnesty is going to have to come with a way to citizenship, and hopefully that increases the tax base. we're working with finite resources, and these new "americans" need to pay into the system.

 

this is not the way i would have preferred things happen, but we need to make this work. i still think there ought to be some kind of modern ellis island for everyone to pass through. we need to establish who's here, and that includes them using their actual, real names.

[Hollyw00d]

Damn. Time to prepare for the mass suicide bombings

[Blarg]

Got a peek at the new Amnesty card.

 

Edited October 21, 2014 by notti

[Hollyw00d]

Learn to link images correctly, terrorist.

[Tank]

Damn. Time to prepare for the mass suicide bombings

 

you don't think anything could go wrong with this? 

[Hollyw00d]

you don't think anything could go wrong with this?

No I just think it's ridiculous to insinuate that bad people will finally be compelled to commit crimes now that they have a government ID, just to make it official.

[HaloMagic]

I just went ahead and liked every post Adam made in here because his opinion on this is the most correct.

10 likes and 5 stars comin' right atcha Adam!

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[arch stanton]

Foreign workers in the middle east outnumber citizens in every country. Some by close to 2-1. Instead of this being a burden on the state they require the sponsor/employer to pay for the visa, provide housing and transportation to the work sites and pay into a government-created social program that provides hospitalization and workman's comp. Certainly there are abuses but at least in theory the workers are provided for.

 

These days these countries all have unemployment problems that stem from lack of trained work force and lack of incentive to hire locals who will be more expensive and usually a ton less productive so a given industry has limits on the numbers and types of visas it can obtain. My wife, for example, would not have gotten a visa to be an office manager since that's supposed to be a job reserved for citizens but she has a work permit that calls her a engineering draftsman.The governments are spending their resources on training progeams for their own citizens instead of battling illegal immigration problems but as of yet it's hard to find skilled labor locally. My job is secure because the terms of the Foreign Military Sales agreement states that only an American citizen with a security clearance may hold my job. 

[arch stanton]

this is the part of the entire equation that is so positively baffling to me. 

 

we're just begging for trouble when there is no system in place to process people who are here or want to come here, or to secure the borders and prevent some really nasty people from coming in. i just don't get this approach.

It might seem easy but sneaking in is still somewhat of a crapshoot that a terrorist organization can't really afford. If they have the cash to fund an attack in the US then they have the cash to spring for student visas and business class airline tickets. Crossing the desert is still more of a desperation act for those who have no other options.

[Lhalo]

Executive Orders are on their way.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/us/obama-immigration.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1

[mtangelsfan]

Yeah, this will really help the "working together" thing.  I'm never a fan of arbitrary moves.  This isn't a monarchy.  I'm actually not opposed to what is being proposed but I am opposed to how it is being pushed through.

[Jason]

All presidents use executive orders but they usually aren't for major issues like this. This can and will have some significant impacts on our economy.